Re: rust non-free-compatible trademark

[Jonathan Wakely <jwakely.gcc@gmail.com>]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 at 11:27, lkcl via Gcc <gcc@gcc.gnu.org> wrote:
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> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 12:41 AM David Edelsohn <dje.gcc@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Luke,
> >
> > The GCC Community will give the issues that you raised due
> > consideration and resolve any problems through appropriate channels.
>
> David: although this was a private reply I am assuming that is in
> error, and i feel it is appropriate to make public, and wrap up this
> thread.
>
> thank you for being literally the first person to very kindly give an explicit
> indication that i've been heard.  that's all that any of you had to do, and
> now that i feel i've been heard i am no longer deeply frustrated and angry.

I already said you were not being ignored, but you chose to interpret
it as a dismissal of your feelings. Telling people to have more
empathy and then reacting negatively when people have responses you
don't like comes across as hypocritical. Your communication affects
others too.

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>     https://www.crnhq.org/cr-kit/#empathy

This should apply to all parties, not just the ones that aren't you.

"Empathy is about building rapport, openness and trust between people.
When it is absent, people are less likely to consider your needs and
feelings."

You started this thread with strong words like "draconian", "Unlawful"
and immediately insisted on absolutes like "completely removed". No
attempt to build rapport, or consider the feelings of the gccrs
developers. It's no wonder it went downhill!

>
> Gabriel i very much appreciate your efforts to tell me that "i am
> the problem" (see #empathy above) and i acknowledge those efforts.
> let's not reduce the S/N ratio any further, eh?
>
> perhaps everyone can learn from this experience, and some point
> down the line appreciate that, as an outsider with no vested interest,
> i was the only member in this community that could safely raise that
> "The Rust Foundation Emperor has no Clothes" without damage to
> their tenure, client base, or career, in what is one of the highest-paying
> most strategically critical FOSS Projects in the world.

Nobody who has replied to you was trying to preserve their career or
tenure, they just didn't agree with you. That's allowed.

> in summary i look forward to seeing the public results of the consideration of
> conversion of the Rust Trademark to a Certification Mark and the clear benefits
> and natural fit with existing FOSS development practices that entails.
>
>     http://archive.adaic.com/pol-hist/policy/trademrk.txt
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> l.
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> l.