removal from web archive of mailing list??? please?

removal from web archive of mailing list??? please?

[Matthew J. Waller]

Hi, I must have posted a message on here without thinking about the 
consequences and i left my email address and phone number at the 
bottom of the message.  This is very bad.  I used to get no junk 
mail.  Today I got my first.  I realise now what a stupid stupid 
thing it was to do, i'm very very sorry, I'll never post to a 
mailinglist again without reading to the bottom of the page, promise. 
Is there any way you could remove the bit that says my email address. 
*anyone??? *please???

http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2002-07/msg01205.html

Ok, so how about putting this bit from your pages at the very top and 
stating clearly that everything you put in an email becomes public to 
the world, to spam you and harass you for the rest of eternity. (in 
big big flashing letters and then underlining the consequences). 
Well it was worth a try.

>Archives
>
>In addition to the web archives that are linked from the 
>descriptions above, we also provide mbox formatted archives of each 
>mailing list. The mbox formatted archives of the libstdc++ mailing 
>lists are at present in a separate directory.
>
>The web archives are searchable.

>
>To complicate the harvesting of e-mail addresses from the web 
>archives of the GCC mailing lists, some simple transformations are 
>done on the e-mail addresses. It isn't perfect, but short of 
>destructively modifying addresses or omitting addresses altogether, 
>there isn't a whole lot we can do right now.


-- 

Matthew Waller

Re: [GCC] removal from web archive of mailing list??? please?

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Matthew J. Waller <mwaller@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk> wrote:

> Hi, I must have posted a message on here without thinking about the
> consequences and i left my email address and phone number at the
> bottom of the message.  This is very bad.  I used to get no junk
> mail.  Today I got my first.  I realise now what a stupid stupid
> thing it was to do, i'm very very sorry, I'll never post to a
> mailinglist again without reading to the bottom of the page, promise.
> Is there any way you could remove the bit that says my email address.
> *anyone??? *please???

You should be made aware that news.gmane.org also archives this list; I
happen to think that's a bad thing. You'll have to contact the operator
of that host about doctoring that copy too. http://www.gmane.org/

The other problem is that others may also hold publicly accessible copies
of the archive.

Regards, Trevor

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Re: [GCC] removal from web archive of mailing list??? please?

[Paul Koning]

>>>>> "Trevor" == Trevor Jenkins <trevor.jenkins@suneidesis.com> writes:

 Trevor> On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Matthew J. Waller
 Trevor> <mwaller@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk> wrote:
 >> Hi, I must have posted a message on here without thinking about
 >> the consequences and i left my email address and phone number at
 >> the bottom of the message.  This is very bad.  I used to get no
 >> junk mail.  Today I got my first.  I realise now what a stupid
 >> stupid thing it was to do, i'm very very sorry, I'll never post to
 >> a mailinglist again without reading to the bottom of the page,
 >> promise.  Is there any way you could remove the bit that says my
 >> email address.  *anyone??? *please???

 Trevor> You should be made aware that news.gmane.org also archives
 Trevor> this list; I happen to think that's a bad thing. You'll have
 Trevor> to contact the operator of that host about doctoring that
 Trevor> copy too. http://www.gmane.org/

 Trevor> The other problem is that others may also hold publicly
 Trevor> accessible copies of the archive.

Right, like search engines.  Google, for example, has a copy, and
that's just one of many spider type search engines.

I think that attempting to recall a message like this is likely to be
futile.

       paul

Re: [GCC] removal from web archive of mailing list??? please?

[Matthew J. Waller]

effectively now that it's in google's cache I'm doomed, I just 
thought I'd try.  That's how I first discovered that these messages 
are being preserved.
M

>
>Right, like search engines.  Google, for example, has a copy, and
>that's just one of many spider type search engines.
>
>I think that attempting to recall a message like this is likely to be
>futile.
>
>        paul


-- 

Matthew Waller

Re: [GCC] removal from web archive of mailing list??? please?

[kwall]

On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 03:18:51PM +0100, Matthew J. Waller wrote:
> effectively now that it's in google's cache I'm doomed, I just 
> thought I'd try.  That's how I first discovered that these messages 
> are being preserved.

I'd hardly say "doomed." Let's try to maintain some perspective
here. If you had an inoperable brain tumor the size of a canteloupe,
you might be doomed. As it is, you are just going to get more spam. 
You'll get no argument that spam is certainly annoying, often illegal, 
potentially expensive, sometimes amusing, and always unwanted; I just
wonder if stopping it is worth the effort you've put into trying to 
delete your message.

Kurt
-- 
"I don't like spinach, and I'm glad I don't, because if I liked it I'd
eat it, and I just hate it."
		-- Clarence Darrow

Re: [GCC] removal from web archive of mailing list??? please?

[Matthew J. Waller]

Just a comment

You go to the page
http://gcc.gnu.org/

At the bottom it says

>Please send FSF & GNU inquiries & questions to gnu@gnu.org. There 
>are also other ways to contact the FSF.
>
>These pages are maintained by The GCC team.
>Please send comments on these web pages and GCC to gcc@gnu.org or 
>gcc@gcc.gnu.org, send other questions to gnu@gnu.org.
>
>Copyright (C) Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - 
>Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111, USA.
>
>Verbatim copying and distribution of this entire article is 
>permitted in any medium, provided this notice is preserved.
>Last modified 2002-10-04

Nowhere does it say #anything you send to these addresses will be 
published automatically, verbatim, you should consider the 
consequences first#
I guess I was naive, but I just didn't realise that that these /email 
addresses/ were *mailing* *lists*, and that all the warnings on 
http://gcc.gnu.org/lists.html apply, that this mailing list is *web 
published*, not just sent to a select group of subscribers.

M

Re: [GCC] removal from web archive of mailing list??? please?

[Russ Allbery]

Matthew J Waller <mwaller@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk> writes:

> Nowhere does it say #anything you send to these addresses will be
> published automatically, verbatim, you should consider the consequences
> first#

> I guess I was naive, but I just didn't realise that that these /email
> addresses/ were *mailing* *lists*, and that all the warnings on
> http://gcc.gnu.org/lists.html apply, that this mailing list is *web
> published*, not just sent to a select group of subscribers.

I think it's a good point that the page footer doesn't note that
gcc@gcc.gnu.org is a mailing list.  Apart from the spam and archive
issues, an address that turns out to be a mailing list can be surprising
for various other reasons.  People may make comments that they don't mean
to make public, someone may potentially send proprietary information to
the address, etc.

None of that is really anyone's fault per se, but a small warning that
gcc@gcc.gnu.org is a mailing list wouldn't seem out of place to me.

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)             <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

Re: [GCC] removal from web archive of mailing list??? please?

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Nowhere does it say #anything you send to these addresses will be
>> published automatically, verbatim, you should consider the consequences
>> first#
> I think it's a good point that the page footer doesn't note that
> gcc@gcc.gnu.org is a mailing list.  Apart from the spam and archive
> issues, an address that turns out to be a mailing list can be surprising
> for various other reasons.

That's a good point indeed.

> None of that is really anyone's fault per se, but a small warning that
> gcc@gcc.gnu.org is a mailing list wouldn't seem out of place to me.

Fully agreed, and implemented thusly:

  <p>This file is <get-var env::PREPROCESS_FILE>.</p>

(Please note that it may take about 12 hours until gcc.gnu.org and
www.gnu.org have been updated.)

Gerald

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-<address>Please send comments on these web pages and GCC to
-<a href="mailto:gcc@gnu.org">gcc@gnu.org</a> or
+<address>Please send comments on these web pages and GCC to our public
+mailing list at <a href="mailto:gcc@gnu.org">gcc@gnu.org</a> or
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