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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Luis Machado <luis.machado@linaro.org>
Cc: simon.marchi@polymtl.ca, gdb@sourceware.org, vapier@gentoo.org
Subject: Re: sim: replacing ChangeLog files with online git logs
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 19:53:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83ft0td5ve.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b9667a5d-c830-9baf-03d9-ea5308a63eac@linaro.org> (message from Luis Machado on Wed, 17 Mar 2021 14:24:27 -0300)

> Cc: gdb@sourceware.org, Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org>
> From: Luis Machado <luis.machado@linaro.org>
> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 14:24:27 -0300
> 
> > Well, if that's what the majority here wants, then so be it.
> 
> That's what we should assess. From chatting with other active GDB 
> developers, my feeling is that most of us want to drop the process of 
> having to write ChangeLog entries manually. But we tend to keep quiet 
> and carry on doing it.

I didn't start this discussion, mind you.

> > (The importance of having the list of modified symbols in the log is
> > that then one doesn't need advanced Git commands to find out which
> > changes modified a given function and why.)
> > 
> 
> I understand the concern about git. I used to find git a bit too cryptic 
> too, but using it daily has made that better.
> 
> Now git log/git blame shows very useful information when I'm looking for 
> specific changes from a commit, and I rarely need to go through 
> ChangeLogs other than to find commits that touched a particular 
> function/variable.

IME "git log" and "git blame" have shortcomings when used for
forensics, and having a ChangeLog-style list of changes helps overcome
that in many important use cases.

> >> I tried vcs-to-changelog, it gave horrible/useless results with our
> >> codebase.  This is not an option.
> > 
> > Too bad.  Maybe we should report this to the developer of the script,
> > it could help fix those shortcomings in the future.
> > 
> 
> Maybe. But looking into the future, parsing C++ to extract that kind of 
> information is really not trivial. So it may never work in a reasonable 
> way for GDB without some serious effort put into the script.

We don't need it to do a perfect job, only a reasonable one.  A 80%
success is a very big step forward wrt not having the information at
all.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-17 17:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-13  2:53 Mike Frysinger
2021-03-13  7:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-13 15:12   ` Mike Frysinger
2021-03-13 16:02     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-13 16:26       ` Mike Frysinger
2021-03-13 16:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-13 18:21           ` Mike Frysinger
2021-03-13 18:32             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-17  6:07               ` Mike Frysinger
2021-03-17 13:14                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-17 14:31                   ` Luis Machado
2021-03-17 14:47                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-17 14:52                       ` Luis Machado
2021-03-17 15:09                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-17 15:22                           ` Luis Machado
2021-03-17 15:40                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-17 15:52                               ` Simon Marchi
2021-03-17 16:09                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-17 17:24                                   ` Luis Machado
2021-03-17 17:53                                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-03-17 20:53                                       ` Luis Machado
2021-03-18  9:31                                       ` Andrew Burgess
2021-03-18  9:48                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22  2:19                                           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2021-03-22  3:38                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23  4:57                                               ` Mike Frysinger
2021-03-23  5:05                   ` Mike Frysinger
2021-03-23 11:06                     ` Andrew Burgess
2021-03-24  3:45                       ` Mike Frysinger
2021-03-24 16:46                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-24 16:59                           ` Andrew Burgess
2021-03-24 17:39                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-24 18:44                               ` Mike Frysinger
2021-03-31  2:27                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2021-03-31  3:27                                   ` Joel Brobecker
2021-03-31 11:35                                     ` Luis Machado
2021-03-31 15:29                                       ` Joel Brobecker
2021-04-01  3:41                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2021-04-19  0:52                                       ` Mike Frysinger
2021-04-19  2:32                                         ` Joel Brobecker
2021-04-19  4:31                                           ` Mike Frysinger
2021-04-19  5:00                                             ` Joel Brobecker
2021-05-23  3:26                                               ` Mike Frysinger
2021-06-10 12:11                                                 ` Luis Machado
2021-03-13 18:34             ` Paul Smith

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