From: Jason Merrill <jason@redhat.com>
To: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
Cc: Richard Biener <rguenther@suse.de>,
Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
Christophe Lyon <christophe.lyon@linaro.org>,
binutils@sourceware.org, GCC Mailing List <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>,
gdb@sourceware.org, Nick Clifton <nickc@redhat.com>,
Joel Brobecker <brobecker@adacore.com>,
"Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com>,
Maxim Kuvyrkov <maxim.kuvyrkov@linaro.org>,
Thiago Bauermann <thiago.bauermann@linaro.org>,
Adhemerval Zanella <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: Patches submission policy change
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 08:59:26 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADzB+2nO5E6uPKRiO-0Ho8THeVt9aXhhPq4sa-imao2WjOnJoA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 6:23 AM Jan Beulich via Gcc <gcc@gcc.gnu.org> wrote:
> On 03.04.2024 10:57, Richard Biener wrote:
> > On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, Jan Beulich wrote:
> >> On 03.04.2024 10:45, Jakub Jelinek wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 10:22:24AM +0200, Christophe Lyon wrote:
> >>>> Any concerns/objections?
> >>>
> >>> I'm all for it, in fact I've been sending it like that myself for years
> >>> even when the policy said not to. In most cases, the diff for the
> >>> regenerated files is very small and it helps even in patch review to
> >>> actually check if the configure.ac/m4 etc. changes result just in the
> >>> expected changes and not some unrelated ones (e.g. caused by user using
> >>> wrong version of autoconf/automake etc.).
> >>> There can be exceptions, e.g. when in GCC we update from a new version
> >>> of Unicode, the regenerated ucnid.h diff can be large and
> >>> uname2c.h can be huge, such that it can trigger the mailing list size
> >>> limits even when the patch is compressed, see e.g.
> >>> https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc-patches/2023-November/636427.html
> >>> https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc-patches/2023-November/636426.html
> >>> But I think most configure or Makefile changes should be pretty small,
> >>> usual changes shouldn't rewrite everything in those files.
> >>
> >> Which may then call for a policy saying "include generate script diff-s,
> >> but don't include generated data file ones"? At least on the binutils
> >> side, dealing (for CI) with what e.g. opcodes/*-gen produce ought to be
> >> possible by having something along the lines of "maintainer mode light".
> >
> > I'd say we should send generated files when it fits the mailing list
> > limits (and possibly simply lift those limits?).
>
> Well, that would allow patches making it through, but it would still
> severely increase overall size. I'm afraid more people than not also
> fail to cut down reply context, so we'd further see (needlessly) huge
> replies to patches as well.
>
> Additionally - how does one up front determine "fits the mailing list
> limits"? My mail UI (Thunderbird) doesn't show me the size of a message
> until I've actually sent it.
>
> > As a last resort
> > do a series splitting the re-generation out (but I guess this would
> > confuse the CI as well and of course for the push you want to squash
> > again).
>
> Yeah, unless the CI would only ever test full series, this wouldn't help.
> It's also imo even more cumbersome than simply stripping the generated
> file parts from emails.
>
Massive patches need special handling either way; I wouldn't lift the
mailing list limits because of this change.
I'm in favor of this change for typical patches.
Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-04-03 12:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-04-03 8:22 Christophe Lyon
2024-04-03 8:30 ` Jan Beulich
2024-04-03 13:11 ` Christophe Lyon
2024-04-04 8:12 ` Jan Beulich
2024-04-05 7:22 ` Christophe Lyon
2024-04-03 8:45 ` Jakub Jelinek
2024-04-03 8:49 ` Jan Beulich
2024-04-03 8:57 ` Richard Biener
2024-04-03 10:21 ` Jan Beulich
2024-04-03 12:58 ` Joel Sherrill
2024-04-03 13:23 ` Christophe Lyon
2024-04-08 15:37 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2024-04-03 12:59 ` Jason Merrill [this message]
2024-04-03 13:19 ` Christophe Lyon
2024-04-03 9:50 ` Jonathan Wakely
2024-04-03 15:03 ` Simon Marchi
2024-04-04 21:35 ` Mark Wielaard
2024-04-04 21:51 ` Simon Marchi
2024-04-05 6:44 ` Marc
2024-04-05 7:17 ` Christophe Lyon
2024-04-06 16:29 ` Mark Wielaard
2024-04-07 12:32 ` Jonathan Wakely
2024-04-07 14:02 ` Mark Wielaard
2024-04-07 14:20 ` Jonathan Wakely
2024-04-07 22:00 ` Mark Wielaard
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