[Bug localedata/14879] New: Addition of Interlingua locale

[Bug localedata/14879] New: Addition of Interlingua locale

[law at redhat dot com]

http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14879

             Bug #: 14879
           Summary: Addition of Interlingua locale
           Product: glibc
           Version: 2.17
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P2
         Component: localedata
        AssignedTo: unassigned@sourceware.org
        ReportedBy: law@redhat.com
                CC: libc-locales@sources.redhat.com
    Classification: Unclassified


Created attachment 6755
  --> http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=6755
Patch to add Interlingua locale from Nik Kalach (nik.kalach@inbox.ru)

The current glibc package and the upstream glibc do not include Interlingua
locale for any region. A lot of Fedora programs like Anaconda,
system-config-language and Publican depend from the presence of the correct
locale in the system. For these programs it is not enough just to set up the
LANGUAGE environment variable to localize the interface. Anaconda and
system-config-language perform system locale configuration themselves and do
not support setting of the LANGUAGE variable in /etc/locale.conf or
/etc/sysconfig/i18n.
Anaconda, Firstboot, system-config-language, s-c-time and s-c-keyboard are
translated to Interlingua but the lack of the Interlingua locale creates
usability problem or, in case of Anaconda and s-c-language, it does not allow
the programs to operate as expected.

Fedora documentation and Web-site use Publican for formatting. All necessary
Interlingua localizations are available but Publican cannot use them without
the locale. As a result, Fedora documentation in Interlingua cannot be built in
the standard Fedora Project build environment.

To solve these problems I propose to add an attached patch to the glibc
package. It adds the ia_FR locale.

Supporting information for this locale is following:
1. The ISO-639-1 code for the language: "ia"
2. Languages of France:
   http://www.ethnologue.com/15/show_country.asp?name=FR
3. The leading Interlingua association "Union Mundial pro Interlingua" 
   is registered as a French non-profit association. Registration #0911004931
   http://www.interlingua.com/statutos
4. The locale data are available in CLDR.
5. The ethnological information is available here:
   Gordon, Raymond G. (ed.). 2005. Ethnologue: Languages of the World, 15 edn.
   http://www.ethnologue.com/15/web.asp (09 July, 2008.)
   This source specifies the geography for this language as "France"
   See: http://multitree.org/trees/17702.xml
6. Interlingua is registered by IANA with subtag "ia".
   See http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry
7. General information about the language and its history is available here:
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlingua

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[Bug localedata/14879] Addition of Interlingua locale

[csolisr at gmail dot com]

http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14879

Carlos Solís <csolisr at gmail dot com> changed:

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[Bug localedata/14879] Addition of Interlingua locale

[csolisr at gmail dot com]

http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14879

--- Comment #1 from Carlos Solís <csolisr at gmail dot com> 2012-11-26 20:15:24 UTC ---
The developers of glibc have repeatedly stated that artificial languages will
never be supported. See bugs #711, #2135 and #13190 for details. However, it
could be requested that the decision is overturned, at least for the artificial
languages with a code established by the ISO 639 (namely Esperanto [EO], Ido
[IO], Novial [NV], Interlingua [IA], Interlingue-Occidental [IE], Lojban [JBO]
and Volapük [VO]). The only issue would be to assign these a country.

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[Bug localedata/14879] Addition of Interlingua locale

[nik.kalach at inbox dot ru]

http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14879

Nik Kalach <nik.kalach at inbox dot ru> changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Nik Kalach <nik.kalach at inbox dot ru> 2012-11-26 22:47:00 UTC ---
Please, consider this BZ report as a request to overturn the decision not to
support Interlingua just because this is an artificial language. Interlingua
satisfies the criteria you have mentioned: it has the ISO code. Moreover, it
has CLDR data, dictionaries for multiple languages, published grammar,
literature, periodics, and active users. It was not invented by some random
people, it was derived from 7 major natural languages by the group of
professional linguists after 20 years of work. The language is based on the
international vocabulary and the minimal grammar common to the most of the
source languages. As a result, texts in Interlingua are easy to read and
Interlingua can be used as a gateway language to study other languages and as a
pivot language in the educational project like Sugar.

As you can see from the initial submission, Interlingua is listed as one of the
languages of France by the well respected source of the ethnological
information.

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[Bug localedata/14879] Addition of Interlingua locale

[csolisr at gmail dot com]

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--- Comment #3 from Carlos Solís <csolisr at gmail dot com> 2012-11-27 00:21:53 UTC ---
I will also take this space to highlight that the three major auxiliary
languages (Esperanto, Ido, and Interlingua) all have active speaking
communities worldwide, as well as several books, periodic publications and
active websites and communities. Also, each of these languages have over a
century of history each, with organized active authorities for the evolution of
each language, and stable grammar and vocabulary based upon the most important
languages of their time. By means of this request, I also ask the developers to
reconsider the related bugs that I quoted.

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[Bug localedata/14879] Addition of Interlingua locale

[bugdal at aerifal dot cx]

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Rich Felker <bugdal at aerifal dot cx> changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Rich Felker <bugdal at aerifal dot cx> 2012-11-27 04:16:07 UTC ---
I second the request to reopen the issue. Obviously toy artificial languages
like Klingon should not be under discussion to be added, but the unilateral
rule against "artificial" languages being added at all is not only misguided;
it's inconsistently enforced. I'm pretty sure at least a few "real" languages
would have to be removed if we insisted on banning any language that was
created by linguists for sociopolitical purposes (in the sense of uniting or
dividing peoples) -- and even more if you look back far enough into their
histories. If a language has an ISO code and any significant number of
speakers, I see no reason it should be treated as less-acceptable for inclusion
than any other language with the same number of speakers.

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[Bug localedata/14879] Addition of Interlingua locale

[aj at suse dot de]

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Andreas Jaeger <aj at suse dot de> changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Andreas Jaeger <aj at suse dot de> 2012-11-27 21:30:43 UTC ---
Jeff, I would be fine with adding this but let's discuss on libc-alpha.

Please send a patch (including ChangeLog entry and changes for SUPPORTED) and
ask for comments.

Thanks,
Andreas

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[Bug localedata/14879] Addition of Interlingua locale

[nik.kalach at inbox dot ru]

http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14879

--- Comment #6 from Nik Kalach <nik.kalach at inbox dot ru> 2012-11-27 21:55:02 UTC ---
Created attachment 6760
  --> http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=6760
Patch for ChangeLog, SUPPORTED and the ia_FR locale

Added the complete patch with changes to ChangeLog, SUPPORTED and the content
of the locale.

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[Bug localedata/14879] Addition of Interlingua locale

[aj at suse dot de]

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Andreas Jaeger <aj at suse dot de> changed:

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--- Comment #7 from Andreas Jaeger <aj at suse dot de> 2012-11-29 07:34:15 UTC ---
Thanks, committed for glibc 2.17

commit d92865823859d4e804d8ac5e5f74fb0f31a54091
Author: Nik Kalach <nikka@fedoraproject.org>
Date:   Thu Nov 29 08:31:13 2012 +0100

    Add Interlingua locale

        [BZ#14879]
        * locales/ia_FR : New file
        * SUPPORTED (SUPPORTED-LOCALES): Add appropriate entry.

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[Bug localedata/14879] Addition of Interlingua locale

[mistresssilvara at hotmail dot com]

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--- Comment #8 from -EMail Hidden- <mistresssilvara at hotmail dot com> 2012-12-13 10:37:26 UTC ---
That is outrageous.
First, you are adding crap made-up languages which no one speaks, and yet
refuse to add a locale for the RUSSIAN language which alone has more text data
written in it than all these interlingua clowns will be able to produce
together for 100 years?

The decision on the bug 12624 reeks of Russophobia in this case.

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[Bug localedata/14879] Addition of Interlingua locale

[ldv at altlinux dot org]

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--- Comment #9 from Dmitry V. Levin <ldv at altlinux dot org> 2012-12-13 12:39:23 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #8)
> That is outrageous.

No, this is offtopic, please do not bring it here.

> First, you are adding crap made-up languages which no one speaks,

First of all, you shall avoid telling blatant lies, otherwise you will not be
listened here.

> The decision on the bug 12624

This bug is not bug 12624, you see.  If you like to discuss bug 12624, please
bring your arguments there.

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[Bug localedata/14879] Addition of Interlingua locale

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