[Bug localedata/18918] New: Change to HH:MM:SS format in Hungarian locale

[Bug localedata/18918] New: Change to HH:MM:SS format in Hungarian locale

[egmont at gmail dot com]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=18918

            Bug ID: 18918
           Summary: Change to HH:MM:SS format in Hungarian locale
           Product: glibc
           Version: 2.22
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P2
         Component: localedata
          Assignee: unassigned at sourceware dot org
          Reporter: egmont at gmail dot com
                CC: libc-locales at sourceware dot org
  Target Milestone: ---

Created attachment 8576
  --> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=8576&action=edit
Use colon instead of dot

Could you please apply the attached patch? It changes the time format from
HH.MM.SS to HH:MM:SS in the Hungarian locale.

The previous (11th) version of the Hungarian spelling rules (released in 1984)
said that the separator had to be a dot, e.g. 10.35 meaning 10 o'clock 35
minutes. glibc correctly implements this.

The brand new (12th) version, in effect since September 1, 2015 adopts to the
common use of colon (especially in the digital world) and allows to use either
separator, without even expressing a preference.

For computer systems, using colons is way more typical and probably easier to
recognize. Dot is typically used in printed materials.

It also avoids an almost ambiguous situation where a space makes a difference,
e.g. "10.15-ig" means "until 10 o'clock 15 minutes" whereas "10. 15-ig" means
"until 15th of October". So I believe using the colon as the separator is not
only more frequent in the computer world, but is also easier and quicker to
recognize for the brain that it's about hour:minute rather than month and day.
And luckily it's now equally correct according to the official rules.

11th edition: http://helyesiras.mta.hu/helyesiras/default/akh11

12th edition: http://helyesiras.mta.hu/helyesiras/default/akh12

In both editions it's the very last (299th and 300th, respectively) rule.

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[Bug localedata/18918] [Patch] Change to HH:MM:SS format in Hungarian locale

[egmont at gmail dot com]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=18918

Egmont Koblinger <egmont at gmail dot com> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Summary|Change to HH:MM:SS format   |[Patch] Change to HH:MM:SS
                   |in Hungarian locale         |format in Hungarian locale

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[Bug localedata/18918] hu_HU: change time to HH:MM:SS format

[vapier at gentoo dot org]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=18918

Mike Frysinger <vapier at gentoo dot org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Summary|[Patch] Change to HH:MM:SS  |hu_HU: change time to
                   |format in Hungarian locale  |HH:MM:SS format

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[Bug localedata/18918] [Patch] Change to HH:MM:SS format in Hungarian locale

[vapier at gentoo dot org]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=18918

Mike Frysinger <vapier at gentoo dot org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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                 CC|                            |vapier at gentoo dot org
   Attachment #8576|0                           |1
           is patch|                            |
   Attachment #8576|application/mbox            |text/plain
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[Bug localedata/18918] hu_HU: change time to HH:MM:SS format

[egmont at gmail dot com]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=18918

Egmont Koblinger <egmont at gmail dot com> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Attachment #8576|0                           |1
        is obsolete|                            |

--- Comment #1 from Egmont Koblinger <egmont at gmail dot com> ---
Created attachment 8709
  --> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=8709&action=edit
Use colon instead of dot

Same as the previous patch, but can be applied with "patch -p1" and includes a
Changelog entry too.

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[Bug localedata/18918] hu_HU: change time to HH:MM:SS format

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commit c7266a2d8204b1a105df1a1f11d56319f0093d13
Author: Egmont Koblinger <egmont@gmail.com>
Date:   Tue Oct 13 20:48:55 2015 +0200

    hu_HU: change time separator to colon [BZ #18918]

    The previous (11th) version of the Hungarian spelling rules (released
    in 1984) said that the separator had to be a dot, e.g. 10.35 meaning
    10 o'clock 35 minutes. glibc correctly implements this.

    The brand new (12th) version, in effect since September 1, 2015 adopts
    to the common use of colon (especially in the digital world) and
    allows to use either separator, without even expressing a preference.

    For computer systems, using colons is way more typical and probably
    easier to recognize. Dot is typically used in printed materials.

    It also avoids an almost ambiguous situation where a space makes a
    difference, e.g. "10.15-ig" means "until 10 o'clock 15 minutes"
    whereas "10. 15-ig" means "until 15th of October". So I believe using
    the colon as the separator is not only more frequent in the computer
    world, but is also easier and quicker to recognize for the brain that
    it's about hour:minute rather than month and day. And luckily it's now
    equally correct according to the official rules.

    11th edition: http://helyesiras.mta.hu/helyesiras/default/akh11

    12th edition: http://helyesiras.mta.hu/helyesiras/default/akh12

    In both editions it's the very last (299th and 300th, respectively) rule.

    Microsoft also uses and recommends a colon since at least May 2011:
   
http://download.microsoft.com/download/e/6/1/e61266b2-d8b4-4fe0-a553-f01dc3976675/hun-hun-StyleGuide.pdf
      The time format is different in common language and in the language of
      IT. In common texts we usually do not abbreviate, so the full forms are
      used: “7 óra 10 perckor csörgött a telefon”. However, the short format,
      consisting of numerals only, can also be used. In this case a period
      must be used between the two numbers and there must not be a space
      between them: “találkozzunk 10.45-kor”.

      However, in software mostly the short format is used, and the numbers
      are separated by a colon. An obvious example is the clock in the bottom
      right corner of your screen, thus 18:31.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Summary of changes:
 NEWS                     |   10 +++++-----
 localedata/ChangeLog     |    5 +++++
 localedata/locales/hu_HU |   10 +++++-----
 3 files changed, 15 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)

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Mike Frysinger <vapier at gentoo dot org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED
   Target Milestone|---                         |2.23

--- Comment #3 from Mike Frysinger <vapier at gentoo dot org> ---
should be pushed now in master.  thanks!

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