[Bug localedata/525] russian locale: month names with the correct casing

[Bug localedata/525] russian locale: month names with the correct casing

[jackie.rosen at hushmail dot com]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=525

Jackie Rosen <jackie.rosen at hushmail dot com> changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Jackie Rosen <jackie.rosen at hushmail dot com> ---
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[Bug localedata/525] russian locale: month names with the correct casing

[schwab at sourceware dot org]

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Andreas Schwab <schwab at sourceware dot org> changed:

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[Bug localedata/525] russian locale: month names with the correct casing

[drepper at redhat dot com]

------- Additional Comments From drepper at redhat dot com  2005-09-24 16:21 -------
I made the change in the CVS trunk.  Consistency is good and I mentioned the
problem in the manual.

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[Bug localedata/525] russian locale: month names with the correct casing

[patrakov at ums dot usu dot ru]

------- Additional Comments From patrakov at ums dot usu dot ru  2005-07-07 11:05 -------
In my previous comment, the summary is correct, and the proposed doc update is
wrong.

Other Cyrillic locales (e.g uk_UA, be_BY) use nominative case here, so "%B %Y"
works, "%d %B %Y" produces gramatically incorrect result in those locales. So
the proposed patch at least makes the behaviour consistent across Cyrillic
locales (but still not perfect). If you apply the patch, please add to texinfo
documentation for %B:

"use of %B together with %d produces grammatically incorrect results for some
locales".

If you don't apply the patch, please add this to documentation (sorry for the tone):

"use of %B together with %d produces grammatically incorrect results for some
locales (e.g. be_BY.UTF-8) and use of %B without %d produces grammatically
incorrect results in other locales (e.g. ru_RU.UTF-8). Thus, please don't use %B
if you want the program's output to be grammatically correct in all locales."

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[Bug localedata/525] russian locale: month names with the correct casing

[patrakov at ums dot usu dot ru]

------- Additional Comments From patrakov at ums dot usu dot ru  2005-07-06 14:24 -------
This would break printing of dates in xfce which (correctly) uses "%A, %d %B %Y"
for strftime argument, so both the existing and the proposed implementations are
wrong. There is just no way to implement that right without extending the
existing standard.

Summary: for "%d %B %Y" genitive case should be used (as the existing
implementation does), while for "%B %Y" (without "%d") the right case is nominative.

This is in fact a defect in the standard that imprecisely defines "%B" to mean
"the locale's full month name" without stating the relevant use case (i.e.
together with the day number or without it). Please document this defect in
glibc texinfo documentation, like this: "use of %B without a preceding %d
produces gramatically incorrect results for some locales".

In fact, both use cases are needed. Maybe a GNU extension like "%EB"?

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[Bug localedata/525] russian locale: month names with the correct casing

[mih_val@mail.ru]

------- Additional Comments From mih_val at mail dot ru  2004-11-08 19:48 -------
Created an attachment (id=266)
 --> ( http://sources.redhat.com/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=266&action=view )
fix case endings of month names in russian ( from the genitive to the
nominative)


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