[Bug nptl/7007] PTHREAD_EXPLICIT_SCHED not honored after 'attr' is initialized to defaults

[Bug nptl/7007] PTHREAD_EXPLICIT_SCHED not honored after 'attr' is initialized to defaults

[chris.hall at highwayman dot com]

http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=7007

Chris Hall <chris.hall at highwayman dot com> changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Chris Hall <chris.hall at highwayman dot com> 2012-05-10 18:32:10 UTC ---
POSIX is wonderfully vague in this area.

While pthread_attr_init() is definite about the result being the defaults for
all attributes, it is silent on what happens when any one of the connected
scheduling attributes -- inheritance, scope, policy and params -- are changed.

Amongst the difficulties:

(1) if the default is PTHREAD_INHERIT_SCHED, what are the scope, policy and
params set to ?  They obviously cannot reflect what a thread is going to
receive.  They could (sensibly) be the defaults if PTHREAD_EXPLICIT_SCHED were
then to be set.  But POSIX doesn't quite say that.

IMO, it would make life easier if the default were to be specified to be
PTHREAD_EXPLICIT_SCHED -- but it isn't.

(2) one would hope that after setting PTHREAD_EXPLICIT_SCHED the scope, policy
and params would then be the defaults... but POSIX doesn't say.  If those
attributes are initialised that way, then the semantics are straightforward. 
If not, then there's an issue if any of those attributes are set before
PTHREAD_EXPLICIT_SCHED is.  In any case, POSIX leaves it open for some
implementation to require the scope, policy and params to be set explicitly if 
PTHREAD_EXPLICIT_SCHED is set.

(3) where there is a choice between PTHREAD_SCOPE_SYSTEM and
PTHREAD_SCOPE_PROCESS, POSIX is silent on what happens when the scope is
changed.  If the the default policy and params were to be different for
different scopes (and POSIX neither allows nor disallows this), should changing
the scope change the "defaults" ?  (Not many systems seem to support more than
one scope, but that doesn't change the basic problem.)

(4) POSIX specifies that the params are at a minimum the sched_priority --
though it does not specify a meaning for that for SCHED_OTHER.  It is clearly
allowing for there to be additional, implementation-defined param fields.  When
setting SCHED_XXX policy, are the params then set to defaults for that policy ?
 If not, then the application needs to have perfect knowledge of the local
system if it is to set any policy other than the default.

I have an application where PTHREAD_SCOPE_SYSTEM is the obvious choice... but
given the ambiguities, I have struggled to find a POSIX-safe way to do this. 
In the end I have simply assumed that the policy and params used by the main
thread will be suitable for PTHREAD_SCOPE_SYSTEM, so I can set
PTHREAD_EXPLICIT_SCHED, and then all of scope, policy and params to unambiguous
values.  Which has the happy side effect of avoiding this particular "bug".

Anyway... my point is that this whole area is a steaming pit of poorly defined
icky-ness, and I suggest it would be no bad thing if glibc took a lead on
sorting out.  For my money, I would go with:

  * disallowing PTHREAD_INHERIT_SCHED as a default.

  * defining the setting of scope to, as a side effect, set the system
    default policy and params for that scope...

  * defining the setting of policy to, as a side effect, set the system
    default params for that policy...

  * ... or a new function which sets scope, policy and params all in one
    got, and invent PTHREAD_SCOPE_DEFAULT and SCHED_DEFAULT, so that (by
    using NULL to mean default params) an application can unambiguously
    set as much scheduling attributes as it wishes, allowing for many
    things to be implementation defined, without requiring the application
    to have perfect knowledge.

Chris

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[Bug nptl/7007] PTHREAD_EXPLICIT_SCHED not honored after 'attr' is initialized to defaults

[schwab@linux-m68k.org]

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Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> changed:

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[Bug nptl/7007] PTHREAD_EXPLICIT_SCHED not honored after 'attr' is initialized to defaults

[fweimer at redhat dot com]

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[Bug nptl/7007] PTHREAD_EXPLICIT_SCHED not honored after 'attr' is initialized to defaults

[mtk dot manpages at gmail dot com]

------- Additional Comments From mtk dot manpages at gmail dot com  2008-11-05 19:41 -------
Created an attachment (id=3042)
 --> (http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=3042&action=view)
test program

The attached test program can be used to demonstrate the reported behavior
using the following command:


$ sudo ./pthreads_sched_test -mf10 -i e
root's password:
Scheduler settings of main thread
    policy=SCHED_FIFO, priority=10

Scheduler settings in 'attr'
    policy=SCHED_OTHER, priority=0
    inheritsched is EXPLICIT

About to call pthread_create() with attrp=0xbfeacb54

Scheduler attributes of new thread
    policy=SCHED_FIFO, priority=10

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