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From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
To: "Robert Święcki" <robert@swiecki.net>
Cc: libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: Caching of PID/TID after fork
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2016 17:26:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161006172631.GO19318@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP145pj+yVz_7ZF8_dNqZ2NE22A_O5QyT195Gy0TgvKq1j3skw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 06, 2016 at 06:13:41PM +0200, Robert Święcki wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> This has probably been debated a lot of times in the past, but...
> 
> A lot of tool these days create Linux namespaces, using clone(). Using
> glibc's clone() is not the best option, because e.g. it requires stack
> pointer, (and fails with some error if it's NULL), while Linux kernel
> will happily reuse the current SP (no need to write additional code to
> deal with that). So, glibc's clone() adds imposed additional
> restrictions wrt kernel.
> 
> And, after that getpid() will return old PID/TID.
> 
> It seems that currently Linux supports getpid() via vsyscall (fast) on
> x86/64. Would you consider changing getpid() to be a wrapper to
> syscall(__NR_getpid)?
> 
> One could say that if somebody uses syscall(__NR_clone) she/he should
> be using syscall(__NR_getpid) as well, but in case of software
> libraries, which might be preparing namespaces, the caller of the lib
> might know nothing about the exact method used to create a new
> process.
> 
> Thefore I'd like to ask for one of the following solutions:
> 
> 1. Don't cache PID/TID
> 
> 2. Provide some kind of symbol, which would force for TID/PID to be
> reloaded in glibc.

There's an easy solution that works with existing versions of glibc
(and other libcs) with no new symbol or new symbol version dependency:
call the libc clone() function with a tiny dummy stack and a function
which does nothing but longjmp out to the caller.

Rich

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-10-06 17:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-06 16:13 Robert Święcki
2016-10-06 16:34 ` Paul Pluzhnikov
2016-10-06 17:03   ` Robert Święcki
2016-10-06 18:32     ` Adhemerval Zanella
2016-10-06 17:26 ` Rich Felker [this message]
2016-10-06 17:42   ` Robert Święcki
2016-10-06 18:05     ` Rich Felker
2016-10-06 18:26       ` Robert Święcki
2016-10-06 21:35         ` Robert Święcki
2016-10-07  0:42           ` Zack Weinberg
2016-10-07  0:43             ` Zack Weinberg
2016-10-07 14:44               ` Robert Święcki
2016-10-07 18:20                 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2016-10-07 18:30               ` Adhemerval Zanella
2016-10-07 19:38 ` Florian Weimer
2016-10-07 21:23   ` Robert Święcki
2016-10-09 10:05     ` Florian Weimer
2016-10-09 14:19       ` Robert Święcki
2016-10-10 18:03         ` Adhemerval Zanella
2016-11-04 15:14           ` Florian Weimer
2016-11-04 16:03             ` Adhemerval Zanella
2016-11-07 16:04               ` Florian Weimer

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