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From: "Robert Święcki" <robert@swiecki.net>
To: Adhemerval Zanella <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>
Cc: GLIBC Devel <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: Caching of PID/TID after fork
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2016 21:35:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAP145pgU=Ph1UHntkZoEFwneEGCVzzb8YhyzjJBt69wxPemRkg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP145phG3DL2nFmA32Lu2J_aQEahKT1CoZrNJaGDn76Mov32Ww@mail.gmail.com>

> Also, providing a glibc own symbol to update the tid/pid is messy:
> it would be an internal implementation detail which in theory
> application should not have access to, it might add some
> synchronization issues (what happens if you try to force update
> after a mutex operation with default wrong value?), and it also
> might be tricky to add a compatibility symbol in case of change
> how tid/pid internally works.

Thanks, this is good analysis.

> Another possibility is to use another thread unique identifier
> as the owner instead of tid (maybe a hash of pthread_t
> to fit on a int).  By removing this requirement I think it is
> feasible to get rid of caching.

Another dev told me that chromium developers implemented ForkWithFlags
- https://codereview.chromium.org/800183004/ - to deal exactly with
the problem is caching PID/TID. They used the setjmp/longjmp approach
suggested by Rich.

My point is that a lot of projects which use the clone syscall will be
hit by this problem, and getting to (or finding in glibc mail
archives) the working solution might take a lot of time. It's because
of the rise of namespaces, more and more projects will be using the
syscall for various forms of containerization.

Maybe providing something like fork_with_flags(int flags) would work
here? Seems that most (all?) the projects that I've seen, which use
clone() directly and had problems with caching of TID/PID, basically
need fork with some flags (mainly of the CLONE_NEW* type). Such
function would deal with tid/gid/locks/pthread_atfork as fork does,
but would also OR the provided flags with the canonical ones?

-- 
Robert Święcki

  reply	other threads:[~2016-10-06 21:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-06 16:13 Robert Święcki
2016-10-06 16:34 ` Paul Pluzhnikov
2016-10-06 17:03   ` Robert Święcki
2016-10-06 18:32     ` Adhemerval Zanella
2016-10-06 17:26 ` Rich Felker
2016-10-06 17:42   ` Robert Święcki
2016-10-06 18:05     ` Rich Felker
2016-10-06 18:26       ` Robert Święcki
2016-10-06 21:35         ` Robert Święcki [this message]
2016-10-07  0:42           ` Zack Weinberg
2016-10-07  0:43             ` Zack Weinberg
2016-10-07 14:44               ` Robert Święcki
2016-10-07 18:20                 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2016-10-07 18:30               ` Adhemerval Zanella
2016-10-07 19:38 ` Florian Weimer
2016-10-07 21:23   ` Robert Święcki
2016-10-09 10:05     ` Florian Weimer
2016-10-09 14:19       ` Robert Święcki
2016-10-10 18:03         ` Adhemerval Zanella
2016-11-04 15:14           ` Florian Weimer
2016-11-04 16:03             ` Adhemerval Zanella
2016-11-07 16:04               ` Florian Weimer

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