From: Adhemerval Zanella <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>
To: Noah Goldstein <goldstein.w.n@gmail.com>
Cc: GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/2] random-bits: Factor out entropy generating function
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 17:37:09 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7b48ece6-392a-0850-c136-01ab751273ef@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFUsyfJhWVw81=_5JJWU4t6NYwtpOQ4Fj+H2pFaV3GTiT9yBYw@mail.gmail.com>
On 29/03/2022 16:56, Noah Goldstein wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 2:51 PM Adhemerval Zanella
> <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 28/03/2022 19:09, Noah Goldstein via Libc-alpha wrote:
>>> On some architectures `clock_gettime` is undesirable as
>>> it may use a syscall or there may be a faster alternative.
>>> Future architecture specific functions can be added in
>>> sysdeps/<arch>/random-bits-entropy.h to provide a version of
>>> 'random_bits_entropy' that doesn't use 'clock_gettime'.
>>> ---
>>> include/random-bits.h | 16 ++++++--------
>>> sysdeps/generic/random-bits-entropy.h | 31 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> 2 files changed, 37 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)
>>> create mode 100644 sysdeps/generic/random-bits-entropy.h
>>>
>>> diff --git a/include/random-bits.h b/include/random-bits.h
>>> index 17665b479a..016b87576c 100644
>>> --- a/include/random-bits.h
>>> +++ b/include/random-bits.h
>>> @@ -19,21 +19,17 @@
>>> #ifndef _RANDOM_BITS_H
>>> # define _RANDOM_BITS_H
>>>
>>> -#include <time.h>
>>> -#include <stdint.h>
>>> +# include <random-bits-entropy.h>
>>> +# include <stdint.h>
>>>
>>> -/* Provides fast pseudo-random bits through clock_gettime. It has unspecified
>>> - starting time, nano-second accuracy, its randomness is significantly better
>>> - than gettimeofday, and for mostly architectures it is implemented through
>>> - vDSO instead of a syscall. Since the source is a system clock, the upper
>>> - bits will have less entropy. */
>>> +/* Provides fast pseudo-random bits through architecture specific
>>> + random_bits_entropy. Expectation is source is some timing function so
>>> + the upper bits have less entropy. */
>>> static inline uint32_t
>>> random_bits (void)
>>> {
>>> - struct __timespec64 tv;
>>> - __clock_gettime64 (CLOCK_MONOTONIC, &tv);
>>> + uint32_t ret = random_bits_entropy ();
>>> /* Shuffle the lower bits to minimize the clock bias. */
>>> - uint32_t ret = tv.tv_nsec ^ tv.tv_sec;
>>> ret ^= (ret << 24) | (ret >> 8);
>>> return ret;
>>> }
>>
>> We already provide hp-timing.h, which uses rdtsc on x86 and clock_gettime on
>> generic interface (and other high precision timing on other architectures).
>> So I think a better way would be to:
>
> For x86/generic that works but other architectures also have hp-timing
> implementations that might not be suitable for this (i.e there might be
> an entropy regression).
I would expect that the entropy of the hp-timing.h instruction would be similar
to the ones from system clock (which exception of legacy architecture like alpha),
but I haven't checked yet.
>
>>
>> static inline uint32_t
>> random_bits (void)
>> {
>> hp_timing_t hp;
>> HP_TIMING_NOW (hp);
>> /* Shuffle the lower bits to minimize the clock bias. */
>> uint32_t ret = hp >> 32 ^ (uint32_t) hp;
>> ret ^= (ret << 24) | (ret >> 8);
>> return ret;
>> }
>>
>> And keep the XOR on with higher bits to keep the clock bias.
>>
>>> diff --git a/sysdeps/generic/random-bits-entropy.h b/sysdeps/generic/random-bits-entropy.h
>>> new file mode 100644
>>> index 0000000000..53290c7f7a
>>> --- /dev/null
>>> +++ b/sysdeps/generic/random-bits-entropy.h
>>> @@ -0,0 +1,31 @@
>>> +/* Fast function for generating entropy of random_bits.
>>> + Copyright (C) 2022 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
>>> + This file is part of the GNU C Library.
>>> +
>>> + The GNU C Library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
>>> + modify it under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public
>>> + License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either
>>> + version 2.1 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
>>> +
>>> + The GNU C Library is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
>>> + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
>>> + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU
>>> + Lesser General Public License for more details.
>>> +
>>> + You should have received a copy of the GNU Lesser General Public
>>> + License along with the GNU C Library; if not, see
>>> + <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/>. */
>>> +
>>> +#include <stdint.h>
>>> +#include <time.h>
>>> +
>>> +/* Generically use clock_gettime. It has unspecified starting time, nano-second
>>> + accuracy, its randomness is significantly better than gettimeofday, and for
>>> + mostly architectures it is implemented through vDSO instead of a syscall. */
>>> +static inline uint32_t
>>> +random_bits_entropy (void)
>>> +{
>>> + struct __timespec64 tv;
>>> + __clock_gettime64 (CLOCK_MONOTONIC, &tv);
>>> + return tv.tv_nsec ^ tv.tv_sec;
>>> +}
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-03-29 20:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-03-28 22:09 Noah Goldstein
2022-03-28 22:09 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] x86: Use rdtsc for generating entropy for random_bits Noah Goldstein
2022-03-29 19:51 ` [PATCH v1 1/2] random-bits: Factor out entropy generating function Adhemerval Zanella
2022-03-29 19:56 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-03-29 20:04 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-03-29 20:14 ` H.J. Lu
2022-03-29 20:44 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-03-29 20:52 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-03-29 20:37 ` Adhemerval Zanella [this message]
2022-03-29 20:44 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-03-30 15:37 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-03-30 16:30 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-03-30 19:38 ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-03-31 4:45 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-31 10:08 ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-03-31 11:17 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-03-31 11:25 ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-03-31 11:48 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-03-31 12:14 ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-03-31 13:12 ` Yann Droneaud
2022-03-31 15:31 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-31 18:16 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-03-31 21:57 ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-03-31 22:33 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-03-31 22:51 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-31 23:05 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-03-31 23:25 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-01 18:01 ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-04-04 17:42 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-04 18:23 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-04 18:38 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-04 18:52 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-04 19:20 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-04 19:48 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-04 19:57 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-04 14:51 ` Florian Weimer
2022-04-04 14:54 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-04 15:00 ` Florian Weimer
2022-04-04 16:51 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-04 17:22 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-04 18:32 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-04 19:16 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-05 0:10 ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-04-05 0:18 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-05 13:45 ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-04-05 9:22 ` Florian Weimer
2022-04-04 18:28 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-05 9:20 ` Florian Weimer
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