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From: Noah Goldstein <goldstein.w.n@gmail.com>
To: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
Cc: "Jason A. Donenfeld via Libc-alpha" <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	"Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/2] random-bits: Factor out entropy generating function
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 11:51:41 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFUsyfLYrBLH1MKsD6M4LFjqcdJraEKi-s8RpE87hAbhLpFEsw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a6d06ghc.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com>

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 10:00 AM Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
<libc-alpha@sourceware.org> wrote:
>
> * Jason A. Donenfeld via Libc-alpha:
>
> > _However_, based on what people have said in this thread, this all
> > seems highly unnecessary, since you just need some boring
> > statistically uniform randomness without any crypto or security
> > requirements of any kind, and it simply needs to be fast and dumb. If
> > that's the wrong set of requirements for this problem (I still have no
> > idea what the bigger picture here is), please pipe up.
>
> If we can make a cryptographically secure generator fast enough, it
> would relieve programmers of the need to choose between that and another
> generator that just gives some random-looking bits fast.  If programmers
> don't have to make a choice, they can't choose incorrectly (introducing
> performance bugs or security bugs).

It sounds like you're talking about creating a user facing API. Since
random_bits
is internal do we really need so much ease of use at the cost of performance?
>
> For example, the system call overhead could be prohibitive for things
> like hash map keys if these hash maps are not used much before they are
> discarded again.
>
> Thanks,
> Florian
>

  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-04 16:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-28 22:09 Noah Goldstein
2022-03-28 22:09 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] x86: Use rdtsc for generating entropy for random_bits Noah Goldstein
2022-03-29 19:51 ` [PATCH v1 1/2] random-bits: Factor out entropy generating function Adhemerval Zanella
2022-03-29 19:56   ` Noah Goldstein
2022-03-29 20:04     ` Noah Goldstein
2022-03-29 20:14     ` H.J. Lu
2022-03-29 20:44       ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-03-29 20:52         ` Noah Goldstein
2022-03-29 20:37     ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-03-29 20:44       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-03-30 15:37         ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-03-30 16:30           ` Noah Goldstein
2022-03-30 19:38             ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-03-31  4:45               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-31 10:08                 ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-03-31 11:17                   ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-03-31 11:25                     ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-03-31 11:48                       ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-03-31 12:14                         ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-03-31 13:12                           ` Yann Droneaud
2022-03-31 15:31                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-31 18:16                       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-03-31 21:57                       ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-03-31 22:33                         ` Noah Goldstein
2022-03-31 22:51                         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-31 23:05                           ` Noah Goldstein
2022-03-31 23:25                             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-01 18:01                             ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-04-04 17:42                               ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-04 18:23                                 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-04 18:38                                   ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-04 18:52                                     ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-04 19:20                                       ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-04 19:48                                         ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-04 19:57                                           ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-04 14:51               ` Florian Weimer
2022-04-04 14:54                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-04 15:00                   ` Florian Weimer
2022-04-04 16:51                     ` Noah Goldstein [this message]
2022-04-04 17:22                       ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-04 18:32                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-04 19:16                         ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-05  0:10                         ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-04-05  0:18                           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-05 13:45                             ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-04-05  9:22                       ` Florian Weimer
2022-04-04 18:28                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-05  9:20                       ` Florian Weimer

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