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From: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
To: Sergey Bugaev <bugaevc@gmail.com>
Cc: Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>,
	 Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault@gnu.org>,
	 libc-alpha@sourceware.org,  bug-hurd@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 06/10] hurd: Make sure to not use tcb->self
Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 11:39:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a5y0lkxf.fsf@oldenburg3.str.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAN9u=HcurRo2LMa_Zjp1NENQik4x7UrJgFRH9Ji4jxM-be+NDw@mail.gmail.com> (Sergey Bugaev's message of "Fri, 19 May 2023 11:22:10 +0300")

* Sergey Bugaev:

> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:16 PM Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com> wrote:
>> Strictly there are two separate issues: (a) calling an exported symbol
>> should be done via a hidden alias, to avoid going via the PLT, and (b)
>> functions in a standard namespace should not call names in the user's
>> namespace, which requires using a name such as __hurd_thread_self instead
>> (which should also be marked hidden to make the call optimally efficient).
>
> While we're talking about this, could you please say if my
> understanding below is correct (and correct me if not)?
>
> 'foo' is a public symbol, to be used by the user, and also
> interposable by the user. Always called via PLT (except from inside
> the user's code when redefined inside the executable, in which case
> the compiler/linker will see that no PLT is needed), and should not be
> called from inside glibc.
>
> '__foo' is a (public? private? semi-private?) symbol, the user code is
> not supposed to use it, but it's exported from libc.so for the benefit
> of other glibc code that ends up in different DSOs and still wants to
> call the original version even when 'foo' gets interposed. Invoked via
> PLT from other DSOs, not invoked from libc.so because of...

__foo may be exported or not.  We have some __ symbols that are used by
the implementation (so GCC etc.), and probably some that are expected to
be used by users.  Truely exported symbols have a GLIBC_2.y symbol
version, internal exported symbols (usually added for coordination
between different shared objects that make up glibc) have a
GLIBC_PRIVATE symbol version.

Some old internal symbols have GLIBC_2.0 or similar early versions
because GLIBC_PRIVATE did not exist then.

> '__GI___foo' is a private non-exported symbol created by the
> hidden_def/hidden_proto macro being used on '__foo', this is what the
> code in libc.so (or: whatever DSO the symbol is hidden_def'ed in)
> calls to avoid PLT jumps.

Correct.

> Q: why '__foo', why not use hidden_def/hidden_proto on the 'foo' directly?
> A: that would only work for code that ends up in libc.so (or rather,
> the same DSOs as 'foo'), but we still want other code to also call the
> non-interposed, original version of 'foo'

hidden_def/hidden_proto does not do anything for static linking, given
the macros are defined today.

It's of course possible to do all this quite differently.

Thanks,
Florian


  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-19  9:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-17 19:14 [PATCH 00/10] Stack setup & misc fixes for x86_64-gnu Sergey Bugaev
2023-05-17 19:14 ` [PATCH 01/10] Remove sysdeps/generic/thread_state.h Sergey Bugaev
2023-05-17 20:50   ` Samuel Thibault
2023-05-17 19:14 ` [PATCH 02/10] mach: Define MACHINE_THREAD_STATE_SETUP_CALL Sergey Bugaev
2023-05-17 20:52   ` Samuel Thibault
2023-05-17 19:14 ` [PATCH 03/10] hurd: Use MACHINE_THREAD_STATE_SETUP_CALL Sergey Bugaev
2023-05-17 20:52   ` [PATCH 03/10] hurd: Use MACHINE_THREAD_STATE_SETUP_CALLo Samuel Thibault
2023-05-17 19:14 ` [PATCH 04/10] mach: Add __mach_setup_thread_call () Sergey Bugaev
2023-05-17 20:56   ` Samuel Thibault
2023-05-17 19:14 ` [PATCH 05/10] hurd: Use " Sergey Bugaev
2023-05-17 20:57   ` Samuel Thibault
2023-05-17 19:14 ` [RFC PATCH 06/10] hurd: Make sure to not use tcb->self Sergey Bugaev
2023-05-17 20:59   ` Samuel Thibault
2023-05-18 18:55     ` Joseph Myers
2023-05-18 19:33       ` Sergey Bugaev
2023-05-18 20:16         ` Joseph Myers
2023-05-18 23:47           ` Samuel Thibault
2023-05-19  8:22           ` Sergey Bugaev
2023-05-19  9:39             ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2023-05-19 16:50             ` Joseph Myers
2023-05-19 14:47           ` [PATCH] hurd: Fix using interposable hurd_thread_self Sergey Bugaev
2023-05-19 18:57             ` Samuel Thibault
2023-05-17 19:14 ` [PATCH 07/10] hurd: Fix x86_64 _hurd_tls_fork Sergey Bugaev
2023-05-17 21:01   ` Samuel Thibault
2023-05-17 19:14 ` [PATCH 08/10] hurd: Fix setting up pthreads Sergey Bugaev
2023-05-17 21:02   ` Samuel Thibault
2023-05-17 19:14 ` [PATCH 09/10] hurd: Also make it possible to call strlen very early Sergey Bugaev
2023-05-17 21:04   ` Samuel Thibault
2023-05-17 19:14 ` [RFC PATCH 10/10] hurd: Regenerate errno.h Sergey Bugaev
2023-05-17 19:39   ` Joseph Myers
2023-05-17 21:04     ` Samuel Thibault

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