From: Noah Goldstein <goldstein.w.n@gmail.com>
To: Wilco Dijkstra <Wilco.Dijkstra@arm.com>
Cc: Zack Weinberg <zack@owlfolio.org>,
"Tang, Jun" <juntangc@amazon.com>,
GNU libc development <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: bug fix for hp-timing.h (aarch64)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 12:51:40 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFUsyfJ76R_PaVnPpyNwo29ZvKGqMp2VLO4dxJ8+LNWCMj7wFA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PAWPR08MB89820E6952D3498059D9355283FD9@PAWPR08MB8982.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>
On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 12:32 PM Wilco Dijkstra via Libc-alpha
<libc-alpha@sourceware.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Zack,
>
> >> On AArch64 the counter is absolutely solid - it's fixed frequency and system
> >> wide monotonically increasing. So there are no issues with varying clock
> >> frequency or rescheduling to a different core, you get elapsed time at
> >> nanosecond accuracy.
> >
> > ... but that's not what you _want_ for a benchmark! You don't want the time
> > to tick up while the benchmark process is preempted (not executing on _any_
> > core), for instance. Or am I misunderstanding what this is used for?
>
> Basically it is a lower overhead version of clock_get_time (CLOCK_MONOTONIC)
> so you can use it to benchmark even small bits of code (since it doesn't insert
> extra function calls or affect register allocation in a major way).
>
> We don't strictly need to scale the result, you could just subtract the counts.
> However it makes the result equivalent to clock_get_time and allows one to
> compute bytes copied/ns if needed or compare different CPUs.
>
> It's hard to account for the effects of interrupts or preemption. And GLIBC
> benchtests aren't all that smart either, so I often end up having to increase the
> iteration count to average out the OS effects (including frequency scaling).
> We could improve this, eg. take several samples at lower iteration counts
> and only report the fastest one.
If it's a long running benchmark (increased iteration count) then the
OS preemption
effect should scale up and the constant cost of the 2x function calls
/ going to the
OS for getting the time should scale down proportionally.
Maybe we just need two timer apis for `TIMING_NOW_LONG` and
`TIMING_NOW_SHORT`?
>
> Cheers,
> Wilco
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-01-12 20:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-01-11 22:49 Wilco Dijkstra
2023-01-12 14:38 ` Tang, Jun
2023-01-12 18:07 ` Wilco Dijkstra
2023-01-12 18:54 ` Zack Weinberg
2023-01-12 20:32 ` Wilco Dijkstra
2023-01-12 20:51 ` Noah Goldstein [this message]
2023-01-16 16:33 ` Wilco Dijkstra
2023-01-16 17:01 ` Noah Goldstein
2023-01-16 18:35 ` Wilco Dijkstra
2023-01-12 15:11 ` Zack Weinberg
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2023-01-11 16:44 Tang, Jun
2023-01-11 17:22 ` Zack Weinberg
2023-01-31 14:47 ` Tang, Jun
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