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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>
Cc: Adhemerval Zanella Netto <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>,
	Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de>,  Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>,
	Mateusz Guzik via Libc-alpha <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: fstat(2) penalized by using newfstatat(6, "", buf, AT_EMPTY_PATH)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 10:29:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wg_6CYB0qDQ9eDfjZSsqzgKcF2ZMd2DObfeFc_N-PxUjg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGudoHF1pLbO4+1ucqct2kEqNEkyqCPeX7uDsYRE82tVVX6cmQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 5 Sept 2023 at 06:14, Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I completely agree this is a problem going way past fstat.

Realistically, fstatat() is likely the only case that matters from any
performance angle because it's the only one likely to be used a lot in
real loads.

Sure, there are other "at" system calls, but they just aren't
important from a performance angle.

I don't think we've ever seen 'fchown/fchmod()' be a major performance
issue, and if it was, the cost is elsewhere (ie the writeback of the
changed inode), so if glibc were to translate it to
'fchownat/fchmodat()' with AT_EMPTY_PATH, it really wouldn't matter.

In contrast, there are tons of loads where 'fstat()' is a noticeable
part of the load, because the "open+fstat" pattern is simply
fundamental Unix code. So converting it to 'fstatat()' is simply
*bad*.

Right now the kernel does even more than it needs to do (ie it does
the whole pathname handling, because I certainly didn't expect
AT_EMPTY_PATH to be a *hot* path), but as Mateusz says, even with that
all short-circuited (we have a trivial patch to do just that), just
the cost of checking "is it actually empty" is noticeable because of
the security boundary issue.

              Linus

      parent reply	other threads:[~2023-09-05 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-04  9:55 Mateusz Guzik
2023-09-04 10:08 ` Andreas Schwab
2023-09-04 10:11   ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-09-05 13:01     ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2023-09-05 13:14       ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-09-05 17:28         ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2023-09-05 17:45           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-05 18:22             ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2023-09-05 19:16               ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2023-09-05 19:21                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-05 21:42             ` Rich Felker
2023-09-05 21:46               ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-09-05 17:29         ` Linus Torvalds [this message]

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