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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Thiago Macieira <thiago.macieira@intel.com>
Cc: fweimer@redhat.com, "Enrico Weigelt,
	metux IT consult" <lkml@metux.net>,
	hjl.tools@gmail.com, libc-alpha@sourceware.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: x86 CPU features detection for applications (and AMX)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 17:27:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YNnqXCSVUhYhzT6T@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2379132.fg5cGID6mU@tjmaciei-mobl1>

On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 08:08:41AM -0700, Thiago Macieira wrote:
> On Monday, 28 June 2021 05:40:32 PDT Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote:

> > What we SW engineers need is an easy and fast method to act depending on
> > whether some CPU supports some feature (eg. a new opcode). Things like
> > cpuinfo are only a tiny piece of that. What we could really use is a
> > conditional jump/call based on whether feature X is supported - without
> > any kernel intervention. Then the machine code could be easily layed out
> > to support both cases with our without some feature X. Alternatively we
> > could have a fast trapping in useland - hw generated call already would
> > be a big help.
> 
> That's what cpuid is for. With GCC function multi-versioning or equivalent 
> manually-rolled solutions, you can get exactly what you're asking for.

Right, lots of self-modifying code solutions there, some of which can be
linker driven, some not. In the kernel we use alternative() to replace
short code sequences depending on CPUID.

Userspace *could* do the same, rewriting code before first execution is
fairly straight forward.

> Yes, the checking became far more complex with the need to check XCR0 after 
> AVX came along, but since the instruction itself is a slow and serialising, 
> any library will just cache the results. And as a result, the level of CPU 
> features is not expected to change. It never has in the past, so this hasn't 
> been an issue.

Arguably you should be checking XCR0 for any feature there, including
SSE/AVX/AVX512 and now AMX.

Ideally we'd do a prctl() for AVX512 too, except it's too late :-(

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-28 15:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-23 15:04 Florian Weimer
2021-06-23 15:32 ` Dave Hansen
2021-07-08  6:05   ` Florian Weimer
2021-07-08 14:19     ` Dave Hansen
2021-07-08 14:31       ` Florian Weimer
2021-07-08 14:36         ` Dave Hansen
2021-07-08 14:41           ` Florian Weimer
2021-06-25 23:31 ` Thiago Macieira
     [not found]   ` <3c5c29e2-1b52-3576-eda2-018fb1e58ff9@metux.net>
2021-06-28 13:20     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]       ` <534d0171-2cc5-cd0a-904f-cd3c499b55af@metux.net>
2021-06-30 15:36         ` Thiago Macieira
2021-06-28 15:08     ` Thiago Macieira
2021-06-28 15:27       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2021-06-28 16:13         ` Thiago Macieira
2021-06-28 17:11           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-28 17:23             ` Thiago Macieira
2021-06-28 19:08               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-28 19:26                 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-06-28 17:43           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-28 19:05             ` Thiago Macieira
     [not found]       ` <e07294c9-b02a-e1c5-3620-7fae7269fdf1@metux.net>
2021-06-30 14:34         ` Florian Weimer
     [not found]           ` <030f1462-2bf9-39bc-d620-6d9fbe454a27@metux.net>
2021-06-30 15:38             ` Florian Weimer
     [not found]               ` <4ba30cb7-6854-0691-fad6-4ca9ce674ac2@metux.net>
2021-07-01  8:21                 ` Florian Weimer
     [not found]                   ` <034dcf9b-1f8c-23ee-86a6-791122bc0f8c@metux.net>
2021-07-06 12:57                     ` Florian Weimer
2021-06-30 15:29         ` Thiago Macieira
2021-07-08  7:08   ` Florian Weimer
2021-07-08 15:13     ` Thiago Macieira
2021-07-08 17:56 ` Mark Brown

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