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From: Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>
To: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
Cc: "H.J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>,
	Carlos O'Donell via Libc-alpha <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: glibc 2.35 failures in elf/tst-cpu-features-cpuinfo-static.
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 17:30:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a9e3c06a-16c4-803d-7081-cb61358feefa@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y23ineha.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com>

On 1/14/22 17:23, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Carlos O'Donell:
> 
>> On 1/14/22 16:11, Florian Weimer wrote:
>>> * Carlos O'Donell:
>>>
>>>> Can we make our testing detect this and mark the test XFAIL?
>>>
>>> If we treat this as our bug, we'd have to run CPUID on *all* CPUs during
>>> glibc startup.  The bug is visible to applications as well.  I don't
>>> think this is feasible.
>>
>> I thought we already ran cpuid at startup for all cpus?
>>
>> In cpu-features.c (init_cpu_features) we call __cpuid() unconditionally, and that
>> is called via ARCH_INIT_CPU_FEATURES() in LIBC_START_MAIN (static), and
>> DL_PLATFORM_INIT in ld.so (shared).
>>
>> In fact we might call cpuid five or six times during startup?
> 
> It runs on a random CPU.  It could be CPU 0 or another CPU.  We pretend
> that it doesn't matter.

Ah! I see what you mean now by "all CPUs." Thank you.

>>>> Or as HJ say, blacklist the CPU from the test e.g. UNSUPPORTED?
>>>
>>> I think the bug isn't CPU-specific.
>>
>> Could you expand in this a bit more?
> 
> Maybe I was mistaken.  Siddhesh has an i7-8665U.  I must have mixed up
> my timelines.  That CPU was released in 2019.

I have exactly the same CPU.

>> My concern is that testing should be robust and not return false
>> positives to the extent that we can prevent that. False positives,
>> regardless of who is at fault, call into question the validity of the
>> test infrastructure. There is a cost to such prevention of false
>> positives, for certain, there is a practical limit to the work we can
>> do.
> 
> It's a true positive in the sense that the glibc detection (in
> <sys/platform/x86.h>) does not work correctly.  Now that might not be
> useful information to us as glibc developers because it's realistically
> not our problem, but we as Red Hat (or other distributions) should
> actually work towards fixing this issue.

Because this could be a kernel 5.15 resume issue or another issue?

Yes, fixing it correctly would be best.

-- 
Cheers,
Carlos.


      reply	other threads:[~2022-01-14 22:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-14 16:43 Carlos O'Donell
2022-01-14 17:00 ` Florian Weimer
2022-01-14 18:05   ` H.J. Lu
2022-01-14 18:13     ` Florian Weimer
2022-01-14 21:09       ` Carlos O'Donell
2022-01-14 21:11         ` Florian Weimer
2022-01-14 22:10           ` Carlos O'Donell
2022-01-14 22:23             ` Florian Weimer
2022-01-14 22:30               ` Carlos O'Donell [this message]

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