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From: Alexander Monakov <amonakov@ispras.ru>
To: Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh@gotplt.org>
Cc: Noah Goldstein <goldstein.w.n@gmail.com>, libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 6/6] elf: Optimize _dl_new_hash in dl-new-hash.h
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 17:31:49 +0300 (MSK)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c3b8d5be-ace9-365d-8717-38dd27e5b6f@ispras.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1b419b02-0dee-813b-de4c-1fdc0779174a@gotplt.org>

On Mon, 16 May 2022, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:

> There are a couple of things that seem problematic to me about this:
> 
> - It seems like we're trying to fix a gcc issue in glibc.  Couldn't we file a
> gcc bug and explore ways in which this could be supported in the compiler?  In
> fact, it might make sense to do that for the original loop; it looks like a
> missed optimization that gcc ought to fix.  IMO the bug should be filed even
> if we do end up with this micro-optimization in glibc.

This issue involves a chain of dependencies that goes across all loop
iterations, but relevant compiler optimization (reassociation, register
allocation, scheduling) do not consider such global chains. You might
file this as a "wishlist" bug, but compiler infrastructure is simply
not designed to make such nontrivial decisions.

> - The patch controls an instruction schedule so that it works well on
> out-of-order processors but then only quoting one microarchitecture.

It's not specific to out-of-order processors: a long chain of dependencies
restricts OoO scheduling in the CPU. So in the end it benefits "classic"
and OoO pipelines in a similar fashion.

> If it
> works well on TigerLake (and on x86 in general) then it might be better to add
> it as a sysdep override; I assumed that was the point of breaking the function
> out into its header anyway.  If it is more generally useful then please share
> numbers to that effect in the commit message and also explicitly state in the
> comments why we're trying to exert this level of control on codegen in generic
> C code and why it is good for all architectures.

I guess it's up to you and Noah to hash it out, but I'd like to remind that
there was an alternative variant which is a strict win on all architectures
(same code size, same instruction mix, no dependency on fast multiplication).
That might be easier to justify from generic code point of view.

Alexander

  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-16 14:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-14  4:12 [PATCH v1 1/6] elf: Refactor dl_new_hash so it can be tested / benchmarked Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14  4:12 ` [PATCH v1 2/6] elf: Add tests for the hash functions in dl-hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14  4:12 ` [PATCH v1 3/6] nss: Add tests for the nss_hash in nss_hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14  4:12 ` [PATCH v1 4/6] benchtests: Add benchtests for dl_elf_hash, dl_new_hash and nss_hash Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14  4:12 ` [PATCH v1 5/6] nss: Optimize nss_hash in nss_hash.c Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14  4:12 ` [PATCH v1 6/6] elf: Optimize __dl_new_hash in dl-hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14  4:32 ` [PATCH v1 1/6] elf: Refactor dl_new_hash so it can be tested / benchmarked H.J. Lu
2022-04-14 14:56   ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14 14:55 ` [PATCH v2 " Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14 14:55   ` [PATCH v2 2/6] elf: Add tests for the dl hash funcs (_dl_new_hash and _dl_elf_hash) Noah Goldstein
2022-04-25 15:39     ` Florian Weimer
2022-04-25 15:59       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14 14:55   ` [PATCH v2 3/6] nss: Add tests for the nss_hash in nss_hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-04-25 15:38     ` Florian Weimer
2022-04-25 15:58       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-26  8:35         ` Florian Weimer
2022-04-26 21:39           ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-27 10:48             ` Florian Weimer
2022-04-27 15:02               ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14 14:55   ` [PATCH v2 4/6] benchtests: Add benchtests for dl_elf_hash, dl_new_hash and nss_hash Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14 14:55   ` [PATCH v2 5/6] nss: Optimize nss_hash in nss_hash.c Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14 14:55   ` [PATCH v2 6/6] elf: Optimize _dl_new_hash in dl-new-hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-04-25 15:58 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] elf: Refactor dl_new_hash so it can be tested / benchmarked Noah Goldstein
2022-04-25 15:58   ` [PATCH v3 2/6] elf: Add tests for the dl hash funcs (_dl_new_hash and _dl_elf_hash) Noah Goldstein
2022-04-25 15:58   ` [PATCH v3 3/6] nss: Add tests for the nss_hash in nss_hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-04-25 15:58   ` [PATCH v3 4/6] benchtests: Add benchtests for dl_elf_hash, dl_new_hash and nss_hash Noah Goldstein
2022-04-25 15:58   ` [PATCH v3 5/6] nss: Optimize nss_hash in nss_hash.c Noah Goldstein
2022-04-25 15:58   ` [PATCH v3 6/6] elf: Optimize _dl_new_hash in dl-new-hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-04-25 16:01   ` [PATCH v3 1/6] elf: Refactor dl_new_hash so it can be tested / benchmarked Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-25 16:18     ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-25 15:59 ` [PATCH v1 " Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-25 16:16   ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-25 16:35 ` [PATCH v3 " Noah Goldstein
2022-04-25 16:35   ` [PATCH v3 2/6] elf: Add tests for the dl hash funcs (_dl_new_hash and _dl_elf_hash) Noah Goldstein
2022-04-25 16:35   ` [PATCH v3 3/6] nss: Add tests for the nss_hash in nss_hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-04-27 10:39     ` Florian Weimer
2022-04-27 16:24       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-25 16:35   ` [PATCH v3 4/6] benchtests: Add benchtests for dl_elf_hash, dl_new_hash and nss_hash Noah Goldstein
2022-04-25 16:36   ` [PATCH v3 5/6] nss: Optimize nss_hash in nss_hash.c Noah Goldstein
2022-04-27 10:47     ` Florian Weimer
2022-04-25 16:36   ` [PATCH v3 6/6] elf: Optimize _dl_new_hash in dl-new-hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-04-27 10:43     ` Florian Weimer
2022-04-27 16:25       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-27 15:02     ` Alexander Monakov
     [not found]       ` <CAFUsyfKeocq4VAusvnggq-NR=tOQTjrD0Z6r3CYCTjGQ=tGGSw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]         ` <f54f1ec9-fc31-283f-bce9-59fd8bda98ad@ispras.ru>
2022-04-27 16:23           ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-28 18:03             ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-04 18:04               ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-05 11:07                 ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-05 15:10                   ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-05 15:26                     ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-05 18:03                       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-05 19:37                         ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-05 22:51                           ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-27 16:19 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] elf: Refactor dl_new_hash so it can be tested / benchmarked Noah Goldstein
2022-04-27 16:19   ` [PATCH v4 2/6] elf: Add tests for the dl hash funcs (_dl_new_hash and _dl_elf_hash) Noah Goldstein
2022-04-27 16:19   ` [PATCH v4 3/6] nss: Add tests for the nss_hash in nss_hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-04-27 16:20   ` [PATCH v4 4/6] benchtests: Add benchtests for dl_elf_hash, dl_new_hash and nss_hash Noah Goldstein
2022-04-27 16:20   ` [PATCH v4 5/6] nss: Optimize nss_hash in nss_hash.c Noah Goldstein
2022-04-27 16:20   ` [PATCH v4 6/6] elf: Optimize _dl_new_hash in dl-new-hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-05-09 17:17 ` [PATCH v5 1/6] elf: Refactor dl_new_hash so it can be tested / benchmarked Noah Goldstein
2022-05-09 17:17   ` [PATCH v5 2/6] elf: Add tests for the dl hash funcs (_dl_new_hash and _dl_elf_hash) Noah Goldstein
2022-05-09 17:17   ` [PATCH v5 3/6] nss: Add tests for the nss_hash in nss_hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-05-09 17:17   ` [PATCH v5 4/6] benchtests: Add benchtests for dl_elf_hash, dl_new_hash and nss_hash Noah Goldstein
2022-05-09 17:17   ` [PATCH v5 5/6] nss: Optimize nss_hash in nss_hash.c Noah Goldstein
2022-05-09 17:17   ` [PATCH v5 6/6] elf: Optimize _dl_new_hash in dl-new-hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-05-10 11:58     ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-05-10 15:04 ` [PATCH v6 1/6] elf: Refactor dl_new_hash so it can be tested / benchmarked Noah Goldstein
2022-05-10 15:04   ` [PATCH v6 2/6] elf: Add tests for the dl hash funcs (_dl_new_hash and _dl_elf_hash) Noah Goldstein
2022-05-10 15:04   ` [PATCH v6 3/6] nss: Add tests for the nss_hash in nss_hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-05-10 15:04   ` [PATCH v6 4/6] benchtests: Add benchtests for dl_elf_hash, dl_new_hash and nss_hash Noah Goldstein
2022-05-10 15:04   ` [PATCH v6 5/6] nss: Optimize nss_hash in nss_hash.c Noah Goldstein
2022-05-10 15:04   ` [PATCH v6 6/6] elf: Optimize _dl_new_hash in dl-new-hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-05-10 15:29     ` H.J. Lu
2022-05-10 15:31       ` H.J. Lu
2022-05-10 16:49     ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-10 17:17       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-10 17:40         ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-10 23:30 ` [PATCH v7 1/6] elf: Refactor dl_new_hash so it can be tested / benchmarked Noah Goldstein
2022-05-10 23:30   ` [PATCH v7 2/6] elf: Add tests for the dl hash funcs (_dl_new_hash and _dl_elf_hash) Noah Goldstein
2022-05-10 23:30   ` [PATCH v7 3/6] nss: Add tests for the nss_hash in nss_hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-05-10 23:30   ` [PATCH v7 4/6] benchtests: Add benchtests for dl_elf_hash, dl_new_hash and nss_hash Noah Goldstein
2022-05-10 23:30   ` [PATCH v7 5/6] nss: Optimize nss_hash in nss_hash.c Noah Goldstein
2022-05-10 23:30   ` [PATCH v7 6/6] elf: Optimize _dl_new_hash in dl-new-hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-05-10 23:46     ` H.J. Lu
2022-05-11  3:07       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-11  3:06 ` [PATCH v8 1/6] elf: Refactor dl_new_hash so it can be tested / benchmarked Noah Goldstein
2022-05-11  3:06   ` [PATCH v8 2/6] elf: Add tests for the dl hash funcs (_dl_new_hash and _dl_elf_hash) Noah Goldstein
2022-05-11  3:06   ` [PATCH v8 3/6] nss: Add tests for the nss_hash in nss_hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-05-11  3:06   ` [PATCH v8 4/6] benchtests: Add benchtests for dl_elf_hash, dl_new_hash and nss_hash Noah Goldstein
2022-05-11  3:06   ` [PATCH v8 5/6] nss: Optimize nss_hash in nss_hash.c Noah Goldstein
2022-05-11  3:06   ` [PATCH v8 6/6] elf: Optimize _dl_new_hash in dl-new-hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-05-16 14:12     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-16 14:31       ` Alexander Monakov [this message]
2022-05-16 16:23         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-16 16:38           ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-16 16:44             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-16 20:32               ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-16 18:09       ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-16 18:47         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-16 19:28           ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-16 19:35             ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-16 19:41               ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-16 19:47                 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-05-16 20:00                   ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-16 20:08                     ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-05-16 20:27                       ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-16 19:48                 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-16 20:33                   ` Alexander Monakov
2022-05-16 21:40                     ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-17  1:45             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-16 13:56   ` [PATCH v8 1/6] elf: Refactor dl_new_hash so it can be tested / benchmarked Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-16 20:31     ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-16 20:29 ` [PATCH v9 " Noah Goldstein
2022-05-16 20:30   ` [PATCH v9 2/6] elf: Add tests for the dl hash funcs (_dl_new_hash and _dl_elf_hash) Noah Goldstein
2022-05-17  4:19     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-18 17:29       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-16 20:30   ` [PATCH v9 3/6] nss: Add tests for the nss_hash in nss_hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-05-17  4:32     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-18 17:30       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-16 20:30   ` [PATCH v9 4/6] benchtests: Add benchtests for dl_elf_hash, dl_new_hash and nss_hash Noah Goldstein
2022-05-17  4:52     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-18 17:33       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-16 20:30   ` [PATCH v9 5/6] nss: Optimize nss_hash in nss_hash.c Noah Goldstein
2022-05-17  5:11     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-18 17:34       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-18 17:35         ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-16 20:30   ` [PATCH v9 6/6] elf: Optimize _dl_new_hash in dl-new-hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-05-17  5:12     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-18 17:38       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-19 15:59         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-19 16:54           ` DJ Delorie
2022-05-17  3:34   ` [PATCH v9 1/6] elf: Refactor dl_new_hash so it can be tested / benchmarked Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-18 17:28     ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-18 17:26 ` [PATCH v10 " Noah Goldstein
2022-05-18 17:26   ` [PATCH v10 2/6] elf: Add tests for the dl hash funcs (_dl_new_hash and _dl_elf_hash) Noah Goldstein
2022-05-19 14:49     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-18 17:26   ` [PATCH v10 3/6] nss: Add tests for the nss_hash in nss_hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-05-19 15:09     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-19 15:40       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-19 22:20         ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-18 17:26   ` [PATCH v10 4/6] benchtests: Add benchtests for dl_elf_hash, dl_new_hash and nss_hash Noah Goldstein
2022-05-19 15:34     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-19 22:20       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-18 17:26   ` [PATCH v10 5/6] nss: Optimize nss_hash in nss_hash.c Noah Goldstein
2022-05-19 15:41     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-19 22:21       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-18 17:26   ` [PATCH v10 6/6] elf: Optimize _dl_new_hash in dl-new-hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-05-18 17:32     ` H.J. Lu
2022-05-18 17:39       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-19  7:53       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-19 15:55     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-19 22:22       ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-19 14:47   ` [PATCH v10 1/6] elf: Refactor dl_new_hash so it can be tested / benchmarked Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-19 14:50     ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-19 14:56       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-19 22:17 ` [PATCH v11 " Noah Goldstein
2022-05-19 22:17   ` [PATCH v11 2/6] elf: Add tests for the dl hash funcs (_dl_new_hash and _dl_elf_hash) Noah Goldstein
2022-05-19 22:19     ` Noah Goldstein
2022-05-19 22:18   ` [PATCH v11 3/6] nss: Add tests for the nss_hash in nss_hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-05-23  7:42     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-19 22:18   ` [PATCH v11 4/6] benchtests: Add benchtests for dl_elf_hash, dl_new_hash and nss_hash Noah Goldstein
2022-05-23  7:44     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-19 22:18   ` [PATCH v11 5/6] nss: Optimize nss_hash in nss_hash.c Noah Goldstein
2022-05-23  7:44     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-19 22:18   ` [PATCH v11 6/6] elf: Optimize _dl_new_hash in dl-new-hash.h Noah Goldstein
2022-05-23  7:46     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-05-19 22:18   ` [PATCH v11 1/6] elf: Refactor dl_new_hash so it can be tested / benchmarked Noah Goldstein

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