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From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@yandex.ru>
To: Alexandre Bique <bique.alexandre@gmail.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
Cc: Alexandre Bique via Libc-help <libc-help@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: Yield to specific thread?
Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 14:20:40 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <75365b7da217aab24c686e18399bc017aa6c9ac7.camel@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP737oKSO-Sx0MEQLOwjmmMyea+BEDvZEwtQNmxcM0+9ep8ytg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 2021-05-20 at 13:09 +0200, Alexandre Bique via Libc-help wrote:
> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 1:03 PM Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com> wrote:
> > 
> > * Alexandre Bique via Libc-help:
> > 
> > > Ideally I'd like to do:
> > > A produces a request
> > > A sched_yield_to(B)
> > > B processes the request
> > > B sched_yield_to(A)
> > 
> > This looks like an application for a condition variable or perhaps a
> > barrier.  If there is just a single writer, the kernel should wake up
> > the desired thread.
> 
> I don't think conditions or barriers would solve the problem. Because
> they would just put the waiting threads on the wake up queue like the
> read() on the pipe would.

I assume it should work. I remember Torvalds ranting about people using sched_yield() for the wrong reasons¹, and he mentioned mutex (which apparently worked for you) as one of possible solutions. Quoting:

> Good locking simply needs to be more directed than what "sched_yield()" can ever give you outside of a UP system without caches. It needs to actively tell the system what you're yielding to (and optimally it would also tell the system about whether you care about fairness/latency or not - a lot of loads don't).
>
> But that's not "sched_yield()" - that's something different. It's generally something like std::mutex, pthread_mutex_lock(), or perhaps a tuned thing that uses an OS-specific facility like "futex", where you do the nonblocking (and non-contended) case in user space using a shared memory location, but when you get contention you tell the OS what you're waiting for (and what you're waking up).


1: https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=189711&curpostid=189752


  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-20 11:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-20 10:42 Alexandre Bique
2021-05-20 11:02 ` Florian Weimer
2021-05-20 11:09   ` Alexandre Bique
2021-05-20 11:20     ` Konstantin Kharlamov [this message]
2021-05-20 11:54       ` Alexandre Bique
2021-05-25 18:21         ` Adhemerval Zanella
2021-05-26  9:36           ` Tadeus Prastowo
2021-05-26 14:09           ` Alexandre Bique
2021-05-20 12:27 ` Godmar Back

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