* [PATCH] Fix date_fmt in en_AU locale
@ 2012-04-29 14:48 Aurelien Jarno
2012-04-30 7:52 ` Petr Baudis
0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Aurelien Jarno @ 2012-04-29 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: libc-alpha, libc-locales
The date_fmt definition in the en_AU locale displays the month before
the day, which doesn't correspond to the common standards there [1].
The patch below fixes that, which also make the definition consistent
with d_t_fmt.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_and_time_notation_in_Australia
2012-04-29 Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net>
* locales/en_AU: Change date_fmt to match Australian standards.
diff --git a/localedata/locales/en_AU b/localedata/locales/en_AU
index 39aa7e2..db73571 100644
--- a/localedata/locales/en_AU
+++ b/localedata/locales/en_AU
@@ -114,7 +114,7 @@ t_fmt "<U0025><U0054>"
am_pm "<U0041><U004D>";"<U0050><U004D>"
t_fmt_ampm "<U0025><U0049><U003A><U0025><U004D><U003A><U0025><U0053><U0020>/
<U0025><U0070>"
-date_fmt "<U0025><U0061><U0020><U0025><U0062><U0020><U0025><U0065>/
+date_fmt "<U0025><U0041><U0020><U0025><U002D><U0065><U0020><U0025><U0042><U0020>/
<U0020><U0025><U0048><U003A><U0025><U004D><U003A><U0025><U0053><U0020>/
<U0025><U005A><U0020><U0025><U0059>"
END LC_TIME
--
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* Re: [PATCH] Fix date_fmt in en_AU locale
2012-04-29 14:48 [PATCH] Fix date_fmt in en_AU locale Aurelien Jarno
@ 2012-04-30 7:52 ` Petr Baudis
2012-04-30 7:54 ` Petr Baudis
0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Petr Baudis @ 2012-04-30 7:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Aurelien Jarno; +Cc: libc-alpha, libc-locales
Hi!
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 04:48:15PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> The date_fmt definition in the en_AU locale displays the month before
> the day, which doesn't correspond to the common standards there [1].
> The patch below fixes that, which also make the definition consistent
> with d_t_fmt.
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_and_time_notation_in_Australia
This patch does two different things (I'd have preferred if you
clarified that in the patch description...):
(i) Switch order from %a %b %e to %a %e %b. Wikipedia says while the
latter is the "standard", the former is common too. I personally don't
think switching between two commonly used format just because one of
them is mentioned in a government style manual is not a persuasive
argument. I'm open to discussion though. What do non-GNU locale
environments use? Is there any survey of everyday use besides the
unsourced Wikipedia statement? Is there a community of Australian
GNU users you could poll?
(ii) Switch form from %a %e %b to %A %-e %B. This is not mentioned
in the patch description at all and is missing a rationale. Using long
form in locales where it can take many characters (e.g. en_*) is fairly
uncommon. The wikipedia example uses long form but is that really more
common? Also, it includes extra commas, should we include them too?
This is not a clear-cut change so it will need more work/discussion
if we shall change anything. And for example http://www.smh.com.au/
uses old format and mix of short and long form for various fields. :-)
> 2012-04-29 Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net>
>
> * locales/en_AU: Change date_fmt to match Australian standards.
Also, I forgot to mention last time that usually, section is appended
to filename in the Changelog - * locales/en_AU (LC_TIME): ...
--
Petr "Pasky" Baudis
Smart data structures and dumb code works a lot better
than the other way around. -- Eric S. Raymond
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* Re: [PATCH] Fix date_fmt in en_AU locale
2012-04-30 7:52 ` Petr Baudis
@ 2012-04-30 7:54 ` Petr Baudis
0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Petr Baudis @ 2012-04-30 7:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Aurelien Jarno; +Cc: libc-alpha, libc-locales
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 09:52:19AM +0200, Petr Baudis wrote:
> I personally don't think switching between two commonly used format
> just because one of them is mentioned in a government style manual is
> not a persuasive argument.
Sorry, I didn't mean to use a double negative. :-) I think it is not
good enough argument alone for a switch.
Petr "Pasky" Baudis
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