[Bug localedata/11945] Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase

[Bug localedata/11945] Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase

[drepper.fsp at gmail dot com]

http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11945

Ulrich Drepper <drepper.fsp at gmail dot com> changed:

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         Resolution|                            |FIXED

--- Comment #4 from Ulrich Drepper <drepper.fsp at gmail dot com> 2011-05-09 23:13:50 UTC ---
Don't reference other bug reporting systems here and attached patches which
actually apply.  I applied it this time.

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[Bug localedata/11945] Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase

[ldv at altlinux dot org]

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Dmitry V. Levin <ldv at altlinux dot org> changed:

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--- Comment #6 from Dmitry V. Levin <ldv at altlinux dot org> 2012-08-27 21:49:11 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #5)
> Martin, Ulrich: Due to unexpected side effects of the patch, we ask you to
> revert it. Software, which caused the initial visible error, was replaced in
> system, but other do suffer from the patch.

Dmitry, the controversial change you are talking about was proposed two years
ago, and it was finally applied in 2011, thus making this particular bug report
closed.

If you suggest to revert the change, please file a separate bug report with all
necessary references supporting your proposal.

Personally, I concur the change was erroneous, and I certainly reverted it in
the glibc package I maintain as soon as I saw its ugly results.  But the
original bug report should remain in the "fixed" state nevertheless.

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[Bug localedata/11945] Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase

[dmitry at agafonov dot pp.ru]

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Dmitry Agafonov <dmitry at agafonov dot pp.ru> changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Dmitry Agafonov <dmitry at agafonov dot pp.ru> 2012-08-27 19:56:41 UTC ---
Martin, Ulrich: Due to unexpected side effects of the patch, we ask you to
revert it. Software, which caused the initial visible error, was replaced in
system, but other do suffer from the patch.

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[Bug localedata/11945] Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase

[ldv at altlinux dot org]

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--- Comment #7 from Dmitry V. Levin <ldv at altlinux dot org> 2012-08-28 22:27:25 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #6)
> If you suggest to revert the change, please file a separate bug report with all
> necessary references supporting your proposal.

btw, a bug about LC_TIME/abday appears to be filed even before this one:
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10873
Looks like it already contains all necessary references.

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[ldv at altlinux dot org]

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Dmitry V. Levin <ldv at altlinux dot org> changed:

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--- Comment #8 from Dmitry V. Levin <ldv at altlinux dot org> 2012-11-03 16:18:56 UTC ---
Well, I have to comment on this finally.

First of all, the patch that was actually applied
(http://git.altlinux.org/gears/g/..git?p=glibc.git;a=commitdiff;h=glibc-2.13-145-gf498392)
does something very different from its description (Lowercase month names). 
Besides the change of abbreviated month names to lowercase (which is probably
OK), it also slipped in a mix of other changes:
- change of abbreviated day names from fixed three-letter form to fixed
two-letter form (actually fixes
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10873 which provides a good set
of references);
- unjustified addition of trailing dots to abbreviated day names (it's plain
wrong);
- unjustified addition of trailing dots to abbreviated month names (it's also
plain wrong);
- unjustified change of abbreviated month names from nominative to genitive
(it's also wrong and it actually reverts the fix made for
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=525);
- unjustified change of abbreviated month names from fixed three-letter form to
variable length form (just a nonsense).

Second, the procedure of describing changes, getting an approval from the
locale maintainer and providing good references (as described in
http://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/Contribution%20checklist#Qualification_.28Locales.29)
was totally scrapped.

What I suggest in the way of recovery is to revert all these unjustified
changes.  The only changes that can remain are:
- change of abbreviated month names to lowercase (a fix for this bug report);
- change of abbreviated day names to two-letter form (a fix for
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10873).

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[ldv at altlinux dot org]

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Dmitry V. Levin <ldv at altlinux dot org> changed:

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[ldv at altlinux dot org]

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Dmitry V. Levin <ldv at altlinux dot org> changed:

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--- Comment #9 from Dmitry V. Levin <ldv at altlinux dot org> 2012-11-05 16:26:16 UTC ---
Moving the discussion of recovery to
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10873 (abday) and
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14807 (abmon).

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[Bug localedata/11945] Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase

[schwab at sourceware dot org]

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Andreas Schwab <schwab at sourceware dot org> changed:

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[Bug localedata/11945] Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase

[fweimer at redhat dot com]

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Florian Weimer <fweimer at redhat dot com> changed:

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[Bug localedata/11945] Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase

[mistresssilvara at hotmail dot com]

------- Additional Comments From mistresssilvara at hotmail dot com  2010-09-05 17:26 -------
This bug still cannot be fixed properly because locale support in glibc was 
done by redneck retards who don't know there are other languages except 
english. This patch will not be of much use sadly.

And FFS, why there are dots (.) in weekdays and months? show me calendar with 
dots, clowns.

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[Bug localedata/11945] Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase

[martin dot pitt at ubuntu dot com]

------- Additional Comments From martin dot pitt at ubuntu dot com  2010-08-25 13:02 -------
Created an attachment (id=4949)
 --> (http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=4949&action=view)
patch


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------- Additional Comments From martin dot pitt at ubuntu dot com  2010-08-25 12:59 -------
Argh, please have a look at the LP bug for the Russian parts of the bug report.

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