[Bug localedata/18812] New: New locale for Kabyle Algeria (kab_DZ)

[Bug localedata/18812] New: New locale for Kabyle Algeria (kab_DZ)

[claude at 2xlibre dot net]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=18812

            Bug ID: 18812
           Summary: New locale for Kabyle Algeria (kab_DZ)
           Product: glibc
           Version: unspecified
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P2
         Component: localedata
          Assignee: unassigned at sourceware dot org
          Reporter: claude at 2xlibre dot net
                CC: libc-locales at sourceware dot org
  Target Milestone: ---

Created attachment 8507
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Kabyle locale file

Here is a new locale for the Kabyle language in Algeria.

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            Summary|New locale for Kabyle       |kab_DZ: new Kabyle Algeria
                   |Algeria (kab_DZ)            |locale

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--- Comment #1 from Mike Frysinger <vapier at gentoo dot org> ---
Comment on attachment 8507
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Kabyle locale file

>comment_char %
>escape_char /

please use the same header as other current locales:
https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=blob;f=localedata/locales/en_US

copy the first ~10 lines over

>LC_IDENTIFICATION
>title      "Kabyle locale for Algeria"

should be:
Kabyle language locale for Algeria

>category  "kab_DZ:2000";LC_IDENTIFICATION
>category  "kab_DZ:2000";LC_CTYPE
>category  "kab_DZ:2000";LC_COLLATE
>category  "kab_DZ:2000";LC_TIME
>category  "kab_DZ:2000";LC_NUMERIC
>category  "kab_DZ:2000";LC_MONETARY
>category  "kab_DZ:2000";LC_PAPER
>category  "kab_DZ:2000";LC_MEASUREMENT
>category  "kab_DZ:2000";LC_MESSAGES
>category  "kab_DZ:2000";LC_NAME
>category  "kab_DZ:2000";LC_ADDRESS
>category  "kab_DZ:2000";LC_TELEPHONE

these are all incorrect -- just copy them from en_US (see the link above)

>LC_TIME
>% yennayer, Furar, Meɣres, Ibrir, Maggu, Yunyu, Yulyu, Ɣuct, Cutembir, Tuber, Unbir, Dujenbir

delete all these comments that just translate the <Uxxx> values.  we've been
dropping them from locales.

>% Accer, Arim, Aram, Ahad, Amhad, Ssem, Ssed
>day  "<U0041><U0063><U0063><U0065><U0072>";/

just to be sure -- the first day here is Sunday right ?

you should also define week in LC_TIME:
  week 7;19971130;1

>LC_MONETARY

please define currency_symbol too

>LC_PAPER
>height 297
>width  210
>END LC_PAPER
>
>LC_MEASUREMENT
>% metric
>measurement 1
>END LC_MEASUREMENT

copy ber_DZ for both of these

>LC_MESSAGES
>% ^[iIyY].*
>yesexpr "<U005E><U005B><U0069><U0049><U0079><U0059><U005D><U002E><U002A>"
>% ^[aAnN].*
>noexpr  "<U005E><U005B><U0061><U0041><U006E><U004E><U005D><U002E><U002A>"
>END LC_MESSAGES

these should be:
yesexpr "^[+1yYiI]"
noexpr  "^[-0nNaA]"

>LC_NAME
>END LC_NAME

please fill out all the fields here

>country_num  12

this should be 012

>country_car  "<U0041>"

pretty sure this should be DZ

>LC_TELEPHONE
>% 213
>int_prefix  "<U0032><U0031><U0033>"
>END LC_TELEPHONE

can you fill out the other fields here please ?

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--- Comment #2 from Claude Paroz <claude at 2xlibre dot net> ---
Thanks Mike for the excellent review!

>>LC_NAME
>>END LC_NAME

>please fill out all the fields here

What do you mean by "all the fields"? Is this list: name_fmt, name_miss,
name_mr, name_mrs, name_ms?

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--- Comment #3 from Mike Frysinger <vapier at gentoo dot org> ---
(In reply to Claude Paroz from comment #2)

those 5 fields, and name_gen.  not all languages have concepts/translations for
all the fields, but it seems unlikely that this one has none.

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--- Comment #5 from Claude Paroz <claude at 2xlibre dot net> ---
I just uploaded a revised file, status should be updated.

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--- Comment #4 from Claude Paroz <claude at 2xlibre dot net> ---
Created attachment 9380
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Revised Kabyle locale file

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--- Comment #6 from Chris Leonard <cjlhomeaddress at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Claude Paroz from comment #5)
> I just uploaded a revised file, status should be updated.

Yes, this looks like it is ready for commit.  - cjl

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[Bug localedata/18812] kab_DZ: new Kabyle Algeria locale

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--- Comment #7 from Belkacem Mohammed <belkacem77 at gmail dot com> ---
The bug is still new? Please Would you like commit? 
If there is something wrong, let me know. I'am a Kabyle native and opensource
kab localizer.

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--- Comment #8 from Carlos O'Donell <carlos at redhat dot com> ---
(In reply to Belkacem Mohammed from comment #7)
> The bug is still new? Please Would you like commit? 
> If there is something wrong, let me know. I'am a Kabyle native and
> opensource kab localizer.

My apologies. Commits for new locales only happen when you're working directly
with a community developer that can commit this code for you. Maintainers are
listed here: https://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/MAINTAINERS.

The review by Chris Leonard in comment #6 is proof enough that kab_DZ should be
ready for commit. Chris is known in the community and has reviewed such patches
in the past (though he is not a glibc developer).

Have you been using the new kab_DZ locale? Is it working well? Does it match
what is being submitted here? Which distro is including the locale?

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--- Comment #9 from Belkacem Mohammed <belkacem77 at gmail dot com> ---
Hello,
Thanks for help.

I can't understand much more about technical devs . I followed a link when I
was trying to start the kab locale  for openSUSE.

The kab localization of openSUSE is now ongoing but, it seems that we need kab
on glibc to release our locale.

We are also working on the kab locale on CLDR (please see
http://st.unicode.org/cldr-apps/v#/kab/). You will find all needed data. 

The kab locale is now available on all Mozilla products and content (Firefox,
Thudenrbird..), Odoo and much more.  

Note the iso 639-2 code of the Kabyle language is kab. Kab-DZ is same as kab.
There is no other variant for our language.

Please, let me know if you need more information

Thank you

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--- Comment #10 from Claude Paroz <claude at 2xlibre dot net> ---
The locale file was approved by Chris, a known glibc language reviewer more
than a year ago. I struggle to find reasons for why this file was not yet
committed.

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--- Comment #11 from Belkacem Mohammed <belkacem77 at gmail dot com> ---
:) It took a lot of time.

If there is something wrong with the file, somethig we can add, please let us
know.
thanks for help

M. Belkacem
Kabyle Software localizer
https://translatewiki.net/wiki/User:Belkacem77

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--- Comment #12 from Mike FABIAN <maiku.fabian at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Belkacem Mohammed from comment #9)
> Hello,
> Thanks for help.
> 
> I can't understand much more about technical devs . I followed a link when I
> was trying to start the kab locale  for openSUSE.
> 
> The kab localization of openSUSE is now ongoing but, it seems that we need
> kab on glibc to release our locale.
> 
> We are also working on the kab locale on CLDR (please see
> http://st.unicode.org/cldr-apps/v#/kab/). You will find all needed data. 

The day and month names in your locale do not agree with what CLDR has.

You have:

mon  "yennayer";/
     "Furar";/
     "Meɣres";/
     "Ibrir";/
     "Maggu";/
     "Yunyu";/
     "Yulyu";/
     "Ɣuct";/
     "Cutembir";/
     "Tuber";/
     "Unbir";/
     "Dujenbir"
abmon  "yen.";/
       "fur.";/
       "meɣ.";/
       "ibr.";/
       "mag.";/
       "yun.";/
       "yul.";/
       "ɣuc.";/
       "cut.";/
       "tub.";/
       "unb.";/
       "duj.";/
day  "Accer";/
     "Arim";/
     "Aram";/
     "Ahad";/
     "Amhad";/
     "Ssem";/
     "Ssed"
abday  "ace.";/
       "ari.";/
       "ara.";/
       "aha.";/
       "amh.";/
       "sem.";/
       "sed."

Compare with:

http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/browser/trunk/common/main/kab.xml

Why are there differences? What is correct?

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--- Comment #13 from Mike FABIAN <maiku.fabian at gmail dot com> ---

http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/browser/trunk/common/main/kab.xml

contains:

        <posix>
                <messages>
                        <yesstr>Ih:I</yesstr>
                        <nostr>Uhu:U</nostr>
                </messages>
        </posix>


but your locale contains:

LC_MESSAGES
yesexpr "^[+1yYiI]"
noexpr  "^[-0nNaA]"
END LC_MESSAGES

If CLDR is right, shouldn’t noexpr be:

noexpr  "^[-0nNuU]"

Or is CLDR mistaken? Then one should fix it in CLDR ...


We should probably also add

yesstr "Ih"
nostr  "Uhu"

or whatever the right words for "yes" and "no" are in Kabyle.

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--- Comment #14 from Mike FABIAN <maiku.fabian at gmail dot com> ---
int_curr_symbol should be 4 characters long and end with a space, like this:

int_curr_symbol    "DZD "

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--- Comment #15 from Mike FABIAN <maiku.fabian at gmail dot com> ---
The ar_DZ locale contains:

first_weekday 7
first_workday 1

Is that also correct for kab_DZ, should we add it?

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--- Comment #16 from Belkacem Mohammed <belkacem77 at gmail dot com> ---
Created attachment 10547
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CLDR Kabyle - Beta release (32)

CLDR Kabyle - Beta release

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--- Comment #17 from Belkacem Mohammed <belkacem77 at gmail dot com> ---
We updated ( me and some academicians from Bejaia Univesity, and independant
authors) some data in CLDR 32 that will be released next 1st November.

Note that the same data is currently used the kab locale of VK (social
network), lighthning (Calendar on thanderbird), Evernote, Wikimedia,
OpenStreetmap,.. and more other tools we localized into kabyle

Here are the common name used for months and days and their short forms:

These names are taught at School in Algeria (Kabylia). In fact, some authors
use declination (other local forms). The forms below, are the most used.

mon  "yennayer";/
     "Fuṛar";/
     "Meɣres";/
     "Yebrir";/
     "Mayyu";/
     "Yunyu";/
     "Yulyu";/
     "Ɣuct";/
     "Ctembeṛ";/
     "Tubeṛ";/
     "Wambeṛ";/
     "Dujembeṛ"
abmon  "yen.";/
       "fur.";/
       "meɣ.";/
       "yeb.";/
       "may.";/
       "yun.";/
       "yul.";/
       "ɣuc.";/
       "cte.";/
       "tub.";/
       "wam.";/
       "duj.";/
day  "Acer";/
     "Arim";/
     "Aram";/
     "Ahad";/
     "Amhad";/
     "Sem";/
     "Sed"
abday  "ace.";/
       "ari.";/
       "ara.";/
       "aha.";/
       "amh.";/
       "sem.";/
       "sed."

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--- Comment #18 from Belkacem Mohammed <belkacem77 at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #13)
> http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/browser/trunk/common/main/kab.xml
> 
> contains:
> 
> 	<posix>
> 		<messages>
> 			<yesstr>Ih:I</yesstr>
> 			<nostr>Uhu:U</nostr>
> 		</messages>
> 	</posix>
> 
> 
> but your locale contains:
> 
> LC_MESSAGES
> yesexpr "^[+1yYiI]"
> noexpr  "^[-0nNaA]"
> END LC_MESSAGES
> 
> If CLDR is right, shouldn’t noexpr be:
> 
> noexpr  "^[-0nNuU]"
> 
> Or is CLDR mistaken? Then one should fix it in CLDR ...
> 
> 
> We should probably also add
> 
> yesstr "Ih"
> nostr  "Uhu"
> 
> or whatever the right words for "yes" and "no" are in Kabyle.


yesstr "Ih"
nostr  "Uhu"

Short form
"Y" : "I"
"N" : "U"

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--- Comment #19 from Belkacem Mohammed <belkacem77 at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #14)
> int_curr_symbol should be 4 characters long and end with a space, like this:
> 
> int_curr_symbol    "DZD "

yeah

int_curr_symbol    "DZD "

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--- Comment #20 from Belkacem Mohammed <belkacem77 at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #15)
> The ar_DZ locale contains:
> 
> first_weekday 7
> first_workday 1
> 
> Is that also correct for kab_DZ, should we add it?


 first_weekday 7
 first_workday 1

Same as ar_DZ

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--- Comment #21 from Mike FABIAN <maiku.fabian at gmail dot com> ---
You use %p in 

t_fmt_ampm    "%I:%M:%S %p"

but you do not define:

%
% Strings for AM/PM
%
am_pm   "AM";"PM"

What are the appropriate strings to use for AM/PM in Kabyle?

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--- Comment #22 from Mike FABIAN <maiku.fabian at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Belkacem Mohammed from comment #18)
> (In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #13)
> > http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/browser/trunk/common/main/kab.xml
> > 
> > contains:
> > 
> > 	<posix>
> > 		<messages>
> > 			<yesstr>Ih:I</yesstr>
> > 			<nostr>Uhu:U</nostr>
> > 		</messages>
> > 	</posix>
> > 
> > 
> > but your locale contains:
> > 
> > LC_MESSAGES
> > yesexpr "^[+1yYiI]"
> > noexpr  "^[-0nNaA]"
> > END LC_MESSAGES
> > 
> > If CLDR is right, shouldn’t noexpr be:
> > 
> > noexpr  "^[-0nNuU]"
> > 
> > Or is CLDR mistaken? Then one should fix it in CLDR ...
> > 
> > 
> > We should probably also add
> > 
> > yesstr "Ih"
> > nostr  "Uhu"
> > 
> > or whatever the right words for "yes" and "no" are in Kabyle.
> 
> 
> yesstr "Ih"
> nostr  "Uhu"
> 
> Short form
> "Y" : "I"
> "N" : "U"

Then we should use

noexpr  "^[-0nNuU]"

(u instead of a), right?

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--- Comment #23 from Belkacem Mohammed <belkacem77 at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #22)
> (In reply to Belkacem Mohammed from comment #18)
> > (In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #13)
> > > http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/browser/trunk/common/main/kab.xml
> > > 
> > > contains:
> > > 
> > > 	<posix>
> > > 		<messages>
> > > 			<yesstr>Ih:I</yesstr>
> > > 			<nostr>Uhu:U</nostr>
> > > 		</messages>
> > > 	</posix>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > but your locale contains:
> > > 
> > > LC_MESSAGES
> > > yesexpr "^[+1yYiI]"
> > > noexpr  "^[-0nNaA]"
> > > END LC_MESSAGES
> > > 
> > > If CLDR is right, shouldn’t noexpr be:
> > > 
> > > noexpr  "^[-0nNuU]"
> > > 
> > > Or is CLDR mistaken? Then one should fix it in CLDR ...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > We should probably also add
> > > 
> > > yesstr "Ih"
> > > nostr  "Uhu"
> > > 
> > > or whatever the right words for "yes" and "no" are in Kabyle.
> > 
> > 
> > yesstr "Ih"
> > nostr  "Uhu"
> > 
> > Short form
> > "Y" : "I"
> > "N" : "U"
> 
> Then we should use
> 
> noexpr  "^[-0nNuU]"
> 
> (u instead of a), right?

yeah,

u instead of a. 
______
We have to ways to say No : Uhu(U), Ala(A). Uhu(u) is the most used.

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--- Comment #24 from Belkacem Mohammed <belkacem77 at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #21)
> You use %p in 
> 
> t_fmt_ampm    "%I:%M:%S %p"
> 
> but you do not define:
> 
> %
> % Strings for AM/PM
> %
> am_pm	"AM";"PM"
> 
> What are the appropriate strings to use for AM/PM in Kabyle?


type abbreviated:

am: ft 
pm: md
___________
Type narrow

am: f
pm: m

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--- Comment #25 from Mike FABIAN <maiku.fabian at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Belkacem Mohammed from comment #17)
> We updated ( me and some academicians from Bejaia Univesity, and independant
> authors) some data in CLDR 32 that will be released next 1st November.
> 
> Note that the same data is currently used the kab locale of VK (social
> network), lighthning (Calendar on thanderbird), Evernote, Wikimedia,
> OpenStreetmap,.. and more other tools we localized into kabyle
>  
> Here are the common name used for months and days and their short forms:
> 
> These names are taught at School in Algeria (Kabylia). In fact, some authors
> use declination (other local forms). The forms below, are the most used.
> 
> mon  "yennayer";/

Why does this start with a lower case “y”? In CLDR trunk it is “Yennayer”
with an uppercase “Y”.

>      "Fuṛar";/
>      "Meɣres";/
>      "Yebrir";/
>      "Mayyu";/
>      "Yunyu";/
>      "Yulyu";/
>      "Ɣuct";/
>      "Ctembeṛ";/
>      "Tubeṛ";/
>      "Wambeṛ";/
>      "Dujembeṛ"

The above is the same as the "stand-alone" forms in CLDR but a little
different from the locale as attached to this bug. So it is probably
OK if I use the stuff from CLDR here.

> abmon  "yen.";/
>        "fur.";/
>        "meɣ.";/
>        "yeb.";/
>        "may.";/
>        "yun.";/
>        "yul.";/
>        "ɣuc.";/
>        "cte.";/
>        "tub.";/
>        "wam.";/
>        "duj.";/

The stand-alone forms in CLDR trunk are:

<monthContext type="stand-alone">
        <monthWidth type="abbreviated">
                <month type="1" draft="unconfirmed">Yen</month>
                <month type="2" draft="unconfirmed">Fur</month>
                <month type="3" draft="unconfirmed">Meɣ</month>
                <month type="4" draft="unconfirmed">Yeb</month>
                <month type="5" draft="unconfirmed">May</month>
                <month type="6" draft="unconfirmed">Yun</month>
                <month type="7" draft="unconfirmed">Yul</month>
                <month type="8" draft="unconfirmed">Ɣuc</month>
                <month type="9" draft="unconfirmed">Cte</month>
                <month type="10" draft="unconfirmed">Tub</month>
                <month type="11" draft="unconfirmed">Wam</month>
                <month type="12" draft="unconfirmed">Duj</month>
        </monthWidth>

i.e. starting with upper case letters and without the final dot.

OK to use it as in CLDR?

> day  "Acer";/
>      "Arim";/
>      "Aram";/
>      "Ahad";/
>      "Amhad";/
>      "Sem";/
>      "Sed"

Same as in CLDR trunk.

> abday  "ace.";/
>        "ari.";/
>        "ara.";/
>        "aha.";/
>        "amh.";/
>        "sem.";/
>        "sed."

CLDR trunk has:

<dayContext type="stand-alone">
        <dayWidth type="abbreviated">
                <day type="sun" draft="unconfirmed">Ace</day>
                <day type="mon" draft="unconfirmed">Ari</day>
                <day type="tue" draft="unconfirmed">Ara</day>
                <day type="wed" draft="unconfirmed">Aha</day>
                <day type="thu" draft="unconfirmed">Amh</day>
                <day type="fri" draft="unconfirmed">Sem</day>
                <day type="sat" draft="unconfirmed">Sed</day>
        </dayWidth>

I.e. starting with an upper case letter and without
the final dot.

OK to use it as in CLDR?

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--- Comment #26 from Mike FABIAN <maiku.fabian at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Belkacem Mohammed from comment #23)
> > > > but your locale contains:
> > > > 
> > > > LC_MESSAGES
> > > > yesexpr "^[+1yYiI]"
> > > > noexpr  "^[-0nNaA]"
> > > > END LC_MESSAGES
> > > > 
> > > > If CLDR is right, shouldn’t noexpr be:
> > > > 
> > > > noexpr  "^[-0nNuU]"
> > > > 
> > > > Or is CLDR mistaken? Then one should fix it in CLDR ...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > We should probably also add
> > > > 
> > > > yesstr "Ih"
> > > > nostr  "Uhu"
> > > > 
> > > > or whatever the right words for "yes" and "no" are in Kabyle.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > yesstr "Ih"
> > > nostr  "Uhu"
> > > 
> > > Short form
> > > "Y" : "I"
> > > "N" : "U"
> > 
> > Then we should use
> > 
> > noexpr  "^[-0nNuU]"
> > 
> > (u instead of a), right?
> 
> yeah,
> 
> u instead of a. 
> ______
> We have to ways to say No : Uhu(U), Ala(A). Uhu(u) is the most used.

We could also use 

noexpr  "^[-0nNuUaA]"

to make the letters uUaA all acceptable as "no" answers.
There is no conflict with:

yesexpr "^[+1yYiI]"

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--- Comment #27 from Mike FABIAN <maiku.fabian at gmail dot com> ---
In LC_ADDRESS country_name was missing, I added this

country_name "Lezzayer"

(taken from CLDR).

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--- Comment #28 from Belkacem Mohammed <belkacem77 at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #27)
> In LC_ADDRESS country_name was missing, I added this
> 
> country_name "Lezzayer"
> 
> (taken from CLDR).

No, the country name in Kabyle "Zzayer". I think, it's CLDR 31? We updated all
the names in CLDR 32 but it's beta release now.

<zone type="Africa/Algiers">
<exemplarCity>Zzayer</exemplarCity>
</zone>

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--- Comment #29 from Belkacem Mohammed <belkacem77 at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #27)
> In LC_ADDRESS country_name was missing, I added this
> 
> country_name "Lezzayer"
> 
> (taken from CLDR).

And the country name:

<territory type="DZ">Zzayer</territory>

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--- Comment #30 from Mike FABIAN <maiku.fabian at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Belkacem Mohammed from comment #29)
> (In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #27)
> > In LC_ADDRESS country_name was missing, I added this
> > 
> > country_name "Lezzayer"
> > 
> > (taken from CLDR).
> 
> And the country name:
> 
> <territory type="DZ">Zzayer</territory>

http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/browser/trunk/common/main/kab.xml#L560

has 

<territory type="DZ">Lezzayer</territory>

That URL points to CLDR trunk, so this is *not* CLDR 31, it is the
most recent stuff in the svn repository.

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--- Comment #31 from Belkacem Mohammed <belkacem77 at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #27)
> In LC_ADDRESS country_name was missing, I added this
> 
> country_name "Lezzayer"
> 
> (taken from CLDR).

No, the country name in Kabyle "Zzayer". I think, it's CLDR 31? We updated all
the names in CLDR 32 but it's beta release now.



Algeria (country) : 

<territory type="DZ">Zzayer</territory>

____________

Algiers (the city) :
<zone type="Africa/Algiers">
<exemplarCity>Zzayer</exemplarCity>
</zone>
_____________

Currency (Algerian Dinar):

<currency type="DZD">
<displayName>Adinar n Zzayer</displayName>
<displayName count="one">Adinar n Zzayer</displayName>
<displayName count="other">Idinaren n Zzayer</displayName>
<symbol>DZD</symbol>
</currency>(In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #30)
> (In reply to Belkacem Mohammed from comment #29)
> > (In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #27)
> > > In LC_ADDRESS country_name was missing, I added this
> > > 
> > > country_name "Lezzayer"
> > > 
> > > (taken from CLDR).
> > 
> > And the country name:
> > 
> > <territory type="DZ">Zzayer</territory>
> 
> http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/browser/trunk/common/main/kab.xml#L560
> 
> has 
> 
> <territory type="DZ">Lezzayer</territory>
> 
> That URL points to CLDR trunk, so this is *not* CLDR 31, it is the
> most recent stuff in the svn repository.

We will correct it on CLDR.
The right word for the country name is : Zzayer

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--- Comment #32 from Mike FABIAN <maiku.fabian at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Belkacem Mohammed from comment #31)
> (In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #27)
> > In LC_ADDRESS country_name was missing, I added this
> > 
> > country_name "Lezzayer"
> > 
> > (taken from CLDR).
> 
> No, the country name in Kabyle "Zzayer". I think, it's CLDR 31?

No.

> We updated
> all the names in CLDR 32 but it's beta release now.

https://www.unicode.org/repos/cldr/tags/release-32-beta/common/main/kab.xml

has:

<territory type="DZ">Lezzayer</territory>

> > > > (taken from CLDR).
> > > 
> > > And the country name:
> > > 
> > > <territory type="DZ">Zzayer</territory>
> > 
> > http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/browser/trunk/common/main/kab.xml#L560
> > 
> > has 
> > 
> > <territory type="DZ">Lezzayer</territory>
> > 
> > That URL points to CLDR trunk, so this is *not* CLDR 31, it is the
> > most recent stuff in the svn repository.
> 
> We will correct it on CLDR.
> The right word for the country name is : Zzayer

Yes, please correct it there because it seems still wrong
in the latest CLDR.

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Created attachment 10548
  --> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=10548&action=edit
kab_DZ

The kab_DZ file I have edited.

Is it OK?

If yes, I’ll commit it.

If not, tell me what is still wrong.

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--- Comment #34 from Belkacem Mohammed <belkacem77 at gmail dot com> ---
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> Created attachment 10548 [details]
> kab_DZ
> 
> The kab_DZ file I have edited.
> 
> Is it OK?
> 
> If yes, I’ll commit it.
> 
> If not, tell me what is still wrong.

Right ok.

I just reviewed it. Everything is rihgt

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           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|ASSIGNED                    |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED
   Target Milestone|---                         |2.27

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Fixed in glibc master.

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    Add new locale kab_DZ  [BZ #18812]

        [BZ #18812]
        * localedata/SUPPORTED: Add kab_DZ/UTF-8.
        * localedata/locales/kab_DZ: New file.

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Please would you like add my email address in the file for those who wants
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> contact me?

I did that now in git master.

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--- Comment #41 from Chris Leonard <cjlhomeaddress at gmail dot com> ---
How is the work on the CLDR locale going?

I'm trying to encourage some work on CLDR locale develop by some of the
communities working on the SugarLabs Pootle instance and I'd like to know
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--- Comment #42 from Belkacem Mohammed <belkacem77 at gmail dot com> ---
Hi Chris,

For the kab locale, we built a team of localizers, translators. The kab locale
is just being built. CLDR Kab is now growing. There are some parts we will
complete with the next release (33).

version 32 is released yesterday (01/11). A lot of keys are still unconfirmed
due to voting mode (process) on CLDR.

I'm trying to set up a team along with the 3 kab univesities to maintain the
locale.

We will focus on the next release on the keyboard templates, kabyle calendar,
collations.

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