[Bug localedata/24614] nl_NL LC_MONETARY doesn't match CLDR 27

[Bug localedata/24614] nl_NL LC_MONETARY doesn't match CLDR 27

[schwab@linux-m68k.org]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24614

Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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                 CC|                            |libc-locales at sourceware dot org
          Component|time                        |localedata
            Version|2.31                        |2.29

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[Bug localedata/24614] nl_NL LC_MONETARY doesn't match CLDR 27

[digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24614

Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
Thank you for the report.  I am currently working on this bug.

Please explain, what is the current grouping (thousands) separator for nl_NL? 
CLDR [1] says it is a single dot (".") and bug 23831 says the same which is
consistent.  But the link you quoted [2] and bug 24615 say it should be space. 
Also the current value of mon_thousands_sep (but not thousands_sep) is <U202F>
(narrow no-break space).

I lean to assume that the correct value is a dot but the other bugs quote the
space because they were about the minus sign position and ignored the thousands
separator.

[1] http://st.unicode.org/cldr-apps/v#/nl/Symbols/
[2] https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=78056

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[Bug localedata/24614] nl_NL LC_MONETARY doesn't match CLDR 27

[wesley at weha dot be]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24614

--- Comment #3 from Wesley <wesley at weha dot be> ---
Oh, I didn't see he specified nl_NL.
nl_BE should be like this: € -1 234,56

According to this guy: https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=23831
nl_NL should be like this € -1.234,56

I'm from Belgium, not the Netherlands so I can't speak for them.
In Belgium, both are correct, but the space is specified in the ISO/BIN norms.

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Re: [Bug localedata/24614] nl_NL LC_MONETARY doesn't match CLDR 27

[Keld Simonsen]

banks in continental Europe thed to use . as mon_thousands_sep while for
thousands_sep the customary separator  is some kind of space.
I am unhqppy about the space separator, as it makes it much harder to parse
and not my impression of the conventions in scientific computing.

keld


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 05:23:19AM +0000, wesley at weha dot be wrote:
> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24614
> 
> --- Comment #3 from Wesley <wesley at weha dot be> ---
> Oh, I didn't see he specified nl_NL.
> nl_BE should be like this: ??? -1 234,56
> 
> According to this guy: https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=23831
> nl_NL should be like this ??? -1.234,56
> 
> I'm from Belgium, not the Netherlands so I can't speak for them.
> In Belgium, both are correct, but the space is specified in the ISO/BIN norms.
> 
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[Bug localedata/24614] nl_NL LC_MONETARY doesn't match CLDR 27

[keld at keldix dot com]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24614

--- Comment #4 from keld at keldix dot com <keld at keldix dot com> ---
banks in continental Europe thed to use . as mon_thousands_sep while for
thousands_sep the customary separator  is some kind of space.
I am unhqppy about the space separator, as it makes it much harder to parse
and not my impression of the conventions in scientific computing.

keld


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 05:23:19AM +0000, wesley at weha dot be wrote:
> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24614
> 
> --- Comment #3 from Wesley <wesley at weha dot be> ---
> Oh, I didn't see he specified nl_NL.
> nl_BE should be like this: ??? -1 234,56
> 
> According to this guy: https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=23831
> nl_NL should be like this ??? -1.234,56
> 
> I'm from Belgium, not the Netherlands so I can't speak for them.
> In Belgium, both are correct, but the space is specified in the ISO/BIN norms.
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[Bug localedata/24614] nl_NL LC_MONETARY doesn't match CLDR 27

[sjon at hortensius dot net]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24614

--- Comment #5 from sjon at hortensius dot net ---
Currently nl_BE is (as for LC_MONETARY) an alias for nl_NL which is correct
IMO.

It seems there isn't a strict consensus as to what is correct for the
thousand-separator - and I'd suggest keeping that discussion in #23831. 

Personally I agree with what's written in
https://taaladvies.net/taal/advies/vraag/1/10000000_10_000_000/ - which
basically says the space is ISO/BIN correct but the dot is more commonly used
instead.

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[Bug localedata/24614] nl_NL LC_MONETARY doesn't match CLDR 27

[wesley at weha dot be]

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--- Comment #6 from Wesley <wesley at weha dot be> ---
Like I said, both are technically correct.
I believe space is more commonly used, I never see dots as a separator.

I care less about the thousand separator and more about the negative sign.
Dots are easily removed, setting the negative sign after the euro and before
the amount is harder.

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[Bug localedata/24614] nl_NL LC_MONETARY doesn't match CLDR 27

[digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24614

--- Comment #7 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
(In reply to sjon from comment #5)
> [...] and I'd suggest keeping that discussion in #23831. 

You are right.  Sorry for the noise.  I was thinking about fixing those two
bugs with one commit.  I have no more questions about this particular issue so
if I don't resolve missing questions about bug 23831 then I'll just push a
solution for this one.

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[Bug localedata/24614] nl_NL LC_MONETARY doesn't match CLDR 35

[digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24614

Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|UNCONFIRMED                 |ASSIGNED
   Last reconfirmed|                            |2019-06-05
           Assignee|unassigned at sourceware dot org   |digitalfreak@lingonborough.
                   |                            |com
            Summary|nl_NL LC_MONETARY doesn't   |nl_NL LC_MONETARY doesn't
                   |match CLDR 27               |match CLDR 35
     Ever confirmed|0                           |1

--- Comment #8 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
1. The latest version of CLDR is 35.1 so I update the bug report summary to
reflect this.  I have dropped ".1" because I don't want to be too nit-picky. 
Otherwise everything is still correct in this bug report.

2. See the patch which should fix the problem:
https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2019-06/msg00089.html

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[Bug localedata/24614] nl_NL LC_MONETARY doesn't match CLDR 35

[cvs-commit at gcc dot gnu.org]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24614

--- Comment #9 from cvs-commit at gcc dot gnu.org <cvs-commit at gcc dot gnu.org> ---
The master branch has been updated by Rafal Luzynski <rl@sourceware.org>:

https://sourceware.org/git/gitweb.cgi?p=glibc.git;h=02d8b5ab1c89bcef2627d2b621bfb35b573852c2

commit 02d8b5ab1c89bcef2627d2b621bfb35b573852c2
Author: Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak@lingonborough.com>
Date:   Thu Jun 6 00:22:54 2019 +0200

    nl_NL locale: Correct the negative monetary format (bug 24614).

    According to CLDR 35.1 and the bug report the correct monetary format
    for negative amounts should be "EUR -1 234,56" while previously it was
    "EUR 1 234,56-".

    This patch does not change the thousands (grouping) separator.

        [BZ #24614]
        * localedata/Makefile (LOCALES): Add nl_NL.UTF-8.
        * localedata/locales/nl_NL (n_sep_by_space): Set to 2 (a space
        between the currency symbol and the minus sign).
        (n_sign_posn): Set to 4 (the minus sign after the currency symbol).
        * localedata/tst-strfmon1.c (tests): Add test data for nl_NL.UTF-8.

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[Bug localedata/24614] nl_NL LC_MONETARY doesn't match CLDR 35

[digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24614

--- Comment #10 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
I don't yet close this bug report because this question has just come to my
mind: shouldn't the same change be applied to nl_AW (Dutch for Aruba)?

Links:
*
https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=blob;f=localedata/locales/nl_AW;hb=HEAD
* https://st.unicode.org/cldr-apps/v#/nl_AW/Number_Formatting_Patterns/

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[Bug localedata/24614] nl_NL LC_MONETARY doesn't match CLDR 35

[cvs-commit at gcc dot gnu.org]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24614

--- Comment #11 from cvs-commit at gcc dot gnu.org <cvs-commit at gcc dot gnu.org> ---
The master branch has been updated by Rafal Luzynski <rl@sourceware.org>:

https://sourceware.org/git/gitweb.cgi?p=glibc.git;h=f59a54ab0c2dcaf9ee946df2bfee9d4be81f09b8

commit f59a54ab0c2dcaf9ee946df2bfee9d4be81f09b8
Author: Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak@lingonborough.com>
Date:   Tue Jun 18 01:20:11 2019 +0200

    nl_AW locale: Correct the negative monetary format (bug 24614).

    Follow the same changes as made in the commit 02d8b5ab1c because the
    respective entries in nl_NL and nl_AW had been the same before the change
    so they should be the same after.  CLDR does not provide complete data
    for nl_AW, it says it is missing and displays a copy of nl_NL.

        [BZ #24614]
        * localedata/locales/nl_AW (n_sep_by_space): Set to 2 (a space
        between the currency symbol and the minus sign).
        (n_sign_posn): Set to 4 (the minus sign after the currency symbol).

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[Bug localedata/24614] nl_NL LC_MONETARY doesn't match CLDR 35

[digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24614

Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|ASSIGNED                    |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED
   Target Milestone|---                         |2.30

--- Comment #12 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
All locales fixed. Feel free to reopen this bug while we are still in the 2.30
development cycle or file a new bug report if you find an issue.

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