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* [Bug localedata/28643] New: it_IT: Days and Months do not have an uppercase letter
@ 2021-12-02 11:23 saloniamatteo at protonmail dot com
  2021-12-02 11:23 ` [Bug localedata/28643] " saloniamatteo at protonmail dot com
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From: saloniamatteo at protonmail dot com @ 2021-12-02 11:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
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https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=28643

            Bug ID: 28643
           Summary: it_IT: Days and Months do not have an uppercase letter
           Product: glibc
           Version: unspecified
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P2
         Component: localedata
          Assignee: unassigned at sourceware dot org
          Reporter: saloniamatteo at protonmail dot com
                CC: libc-locales at sourceware dot org
  Target Milestone: ---

Created attachment 13813
  --> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=13813&action=edit
it_IT patch

Greetings,
I have noticed glibc's it_IT locale has quite a few mistakes:

-   Abbreviated and Full week days (e.g. Monday/Lunedì) do not have a capital
letter (should be Lunedì but it is lunedì)
-   Abbreviated and Full months have the same problem as above, e.g. gennaio
should be Gennaio
-   Language name (lang_name) still has the same problem as above (italiano
instead of Italiano)

This bug is not present in other locales, as far as I know.
Latest source check date: 02/12/2021 @ 10:45
Version found in version.h: "2.34.9000" (development)

I have made the following patch: fix-italian.patch (you can find it in the
attachments)

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* [Bug localedata/28643] it_IT: Days and Months do not have an uppercase letter
  2021-12-02 11:23 [Bug localedata/28643] New: it_IT: Days and Months do not have an uppercase letter saloniamatteo at protonmail dot com
@ 2021-12-02 11:23 ` saloniamatteo at protonmail dot com
  2021-12-02 11:24 ` saloniamatteo at protonmail dot com
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Salonia Matteo <saloniamatteo at protonmail dot com> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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* [Bug localedata/28643] it_IT: Days and Months do not have an uppercase letter
  2021-12-02 11:23 [Bug localedata/28643] New: it_IT: Days and Months do not have an uppercase letter saloniamatteo at protonmail dot com
  2021-12-02 11:23 ` [Bug localedata/28643] " saloniamatteo at protonmail dot com
@ 2021-12-02 11:24 ` saloniamatteo at protonmail dot com
  2023-11-16 13:23 ` maiku.fabian at gmail dot com
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Salonia Matteo <saloniamatteo at protonmail dot com> changed:

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* [Bug localedata/28643] it_IT: Days and Months do not have an uppercase letter
  2021-12-02 11:23 [Bug localedata/28643] New: it_IT: Days and Months do not have an uppercase letter saloniamatteo at protonmail dot com
  2021-12-02 11:23 ` [Bug localedata/28643] " saloniamatteo at protonmail dot com
  2021-12-02 11:24 ` saloniamatteo at protonmail dot com
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Mike FABIAN <maiku.fabian at gmail dot com> changed:

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* [Bug localedata/28643] it_IT: Days and Months do not have an uppercase letter
  2021-12-02 11:23 [Bug localedata/28643] New: it_IT: Days and Months do not have an uppercase letter saloniamatteo at protonmail dot com
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  2023-11-16 13:23 ` maiku.fabian at gmail dot com
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  2023-11-21 16:00 ` maiku.fabian at gmail dot com
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From: maiku.fabian at gmail dot com @ 2023-11-16 13:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
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https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=28643

--- Comment #1 from Mike FABIAN <maiku.fabian at gmail dot com> ---
They are not capitalized in CLDR either:

https://github.com/unicode-org/cldr/blob/main/common/main/it.xml#L1848
        <dayWidth type="wide">
                <day type="sun">domenica</day>
                <day type="mon">lunedì</day>
                <day type="tue">martedì</day>
                <day type="wed">mercoledì</day>
                <day type="thu">giovedì</day>
                <day type="fri">venerdì</day>
                <day type="sat">sabato</day>
        </dayWidth>

As far as I know, the capitalization of these words in Italian depends on
whether they appear at the beginning of a sentence or not.

    Gennaio è il primo mese dell'anno.
    Oggi è lunedì.
    L'italiano è una lingua bellissima.

So if they are usually not capitalized but only at the beginning of sentences,
then maybe the application using this data should
do the capitalization?

For example, maybe `cal` should capitalize here because these names appear "at
the beginning"?:

$ LC_ALL=it_IT.UTF-8 cal 
    novembre 2023   
lu ma me gi ve sa do
       1  2  3  4  5
 6  7  8  9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30

On the other hand, maybe almost all uses of this data in glibc are not within a
sentence, so maybe capitalizing always is OK?


> This bug is not present in other locales, as far as I know.

Currently many locales don’t have these capitalized:

glibc/localedata/locales (master $)
$ grep day  fr_FR es_ES
fr_FR:abday   "dim.";"lun.";"mar.";"mer.";"jeu.";"ven.";"sam."
fr_FR:day     "dimanche";/
fr_FR:first_weekday 2
es_ES:abday   "dom";"lun";/
es_ES:day     "domingo";/
es_ES:first_weekday   2

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* [Bug localedata/28643] it_IT: Days and Months do not have an uppercase letter
  2021-12-02 11:23 [Bug localedata/28643] New: it_IT: Days and Months do not have an uppercase letter saloniamatteo at protonmail dot com
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From: maiku.fabian at gmail dot com @ 2023-11-21 16:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
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https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=28643

--- Comment #2 from Mike FABIAN <maiku.fabian at gmail dot com> ---
Similar issue for Czech: https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=25119

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