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From: Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh@redhat.com>
To: "Ondřej Bílka" <neleai@seznam.cz>
Cc: "Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com>,
	       Will Newton <will.newton@linaro.org>,
	       "libc-ports@sourceware.org" <libc-ports@sourceware.org>,
	       Patch Tracking <patches@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sysdeps/arm/armv7/multiarch/memcpy_impl.S: Improve performance.
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:43:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130904114529.GC4306@spoyarek.pnq.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130904110333.GA6216@domone.kolej.mff.cuni.cz>

On Wed, Sep 04, 2013 at 01:03:33PM +0200, Ondřej Bílka wrote:
> > 1. Assume aligned input.  Nothing should take (any noticeable)
> >    performance away from align copies/moves
> Not very useful as this is extremely dependant on function measured. For
> functions like strcmp and strlen alignments are mostly random so aligned
> case does not say much. On opposite end of spectrum is memset which is
> almost always 8 byte aligned and unaligned performance does not make lot
> of sense.

Agreed.  So for functions like memset/memcpy/memmove we heavily favour
aligned inputs.  For strlen/strchr/memchr we strive for acceptable
average case performance, i.e. less variance in performance.

> > 2. Scale with size
> Not very important for several reasons. One is that big sizes are cold
> (just look in oprofile output that loops are less frequent than header.)
> 
> Second reason is that if we look at caller large sizes are unlikely
> bottleneck.

I did not imply that we optimize for larger sizes - I meant that as a
general principle, the algorithm should scale reasonably for larger
sizes.  A quadratic algorithm is bad even if it gives acceptable
performance for smaller sizes.  I would consider that a pretty
important trait to monitor in the benchmark even if we won't really
get such implementations in practice.

> > 3. Provide acceptable performance for unaligned sizes without
> >    penalizing the aligned case
> 
> This is quite important case. It should be measured correctly, what is
> important is that alignment varies. This can be slower than when you
> pick fixed alignment and alignment varies in reality.

I agree that we need to measure unaligned cases correctly.

> > 4. Measure the effect of dcache pressure on function performance
> > 5. Measure effect of icache pressure on function performance.
> > 
> Here you really need to base weigths on function usage patterns. 
> A bigger code size is acceptable for functions that are called more
> often. You need to see distribution of how are calls clustered to get
> full picture. A strcmp is least sensitive to icache concerns, as when it
> is called its mostly 100 times over in tight loop so size is not big issue.
> If same number of call is uniformnly spread through program we need
> stricter criteria.

That's not necessarily true.  It may be true for specific applications
but I don't think an strcmp is always called in a tight loop.  Do you
have a qualitative argument to prove that statement or is it just
based on dry runs?

Siddhesh

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-04 11:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-12  7:55 Will Newton
2013-08-27  7:46 ` Will Newton
2013-08-30 17:14   ` Carlos O'Donell
2013-08-30 18:48     ` Will Newton
2013-08-30 19:26       ` Carlos O'Donell
2013-09-02 14:18         ` Will Newton
2013-09-03 16:14           ` Carlos O'Donell
     [not found]         ` <CANu=DmhA9QvSe6RS72Db2P=yyjC72fsE8d4QZKHEcNiwqxNMvw@mail.gmail.com>
2013-09-02 14:18           ` benchmark improvements (Was: Re: [PATCH] sysdeps/arm/armv7/multiarch/memcpy_impl.S: Improve performance.) Siddhesh Poyarekar
2013-09-03 13:46             ` Will Newton
2013-09-03 17:48               ` Ondřej Bílka
2013-09-02 19:57           ` [PATCH] sysdeps/arm/armv7/multiarch/memcpy_impl.S: Improve performance Ondřej Bílka
2013-09-03 16:18           ` Carlos O'Donell
2013-09-03 17:37             ` Ondřej Bílka
2013-09-03 17:52               ` Carlos O'Donell
2013-09-03 18:57                 ` Ondřej Bílka
2013-09-03 19:15                   ` Carlos O'Donell
2013-09-04  7:27                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2013-09-04 11:03                       ` Ondřej Bílka
2013-09-04 11:43                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar [this message]
2013-09-04 17:37                         ` Ryan S. Arnold
2013-09-05  8:04                           ` Ondřej Bílka
2013-09-04 15:30                       ` Carlos O'Donell
2013-09-04 17:35                       ` Ryan S. Arnold
2013-09-05 11:07                         ` Ondřej Bílka
2013-09-05 11:54                         ` Joseph S. Myers
2013-09-03 19:34               ` Ryan S. Arnold
2013-09-07 11:55                 ` Ondřej Bílka
2013-09-03 19:31             ` Ryan S. Arnold
2013-09-03 19:54               ` Carlos O'Donell
2013-09-03 20:56                 ` Ryan S. Arnold
2013-09-03 23:29                   ` Ondřej Bílka
2013-09-03 23:31                   ` Carlos O'Donell
2013-09-03 22:27               ` Ondřej Bílka
2013-08-29 23:58 ` Joseph S. Myers
2013-08-30 14:56   ` Will Newton
2013-08-30 15:18     ` Joseph S. Myers
2013-08-30 18:46       ` Will Newton

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