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From: "Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>
Cc: libc-alpha <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	       "libc-ports@sourceware.org" <libc-ports@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] __FD_ELT: Implement correct buffer overflow check
Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 14:42:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <518129C7.2020808@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHGf_=pDgABHdv5RKd6U870J1t1gM6GhbDpxGoQMjJEsMPHgLQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/01/2013 02:28 AM, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
>>> +     ? __fdelt_buffer_warn(__d, __bos0 (s))                          \
>>
>> Space between function and bracket e.g. foo () not foo().
> 
> ah, ok.
> 
>>
>>> +     : __fdelt_buffer_chk(__d, __bos0 (s))                           \
>>> +      : __d / __NFDBITS;                                             \
>>
>> I'm not happy that this isn't very conservative.
>>
>> If __bos0 fails should we fall back to static FD_SETSIZE checking
>> e.g. "__fdelt_buffer_warn (__d, FD_SETSIZE)"?
>>
>> It seems that that would be better than no checking.
> 
> Hmm.. This doesn't cross my mind. All other buffer boundary checks
> of _FORTIFY_SOURCE fall back no checking.  compiler may fails to
> determine a right buffer size in various reasons. at that time, I don't
> want to kill innocent applications.
> 
>> I know why you want to fall back to no check, because that
>> way you don't require any kind of new flag to disable the
>> check in the event it triggers when you don't want it to
>> (when __bos0 fails).
> 
> If you like flag, I'm not putting objection. but if making flag, a lot
> of libraries need
> to turn on "no check" mode because when a buffer is allocated from applications,
> library code can't know a buffer size at least at compile time.
> 
> 
>> Does compiling ruby (or similar code) with this header
>> result in calls to __fdelt_buffer_warn or __fdelt_buffer_chk?
> 
> Unfortunately, No. __builtin_object_size() require compiler know the
> buffer size.
> In the other words, it doesn't work if an allocate function and
> FD_{SET,CLR} functions
> doesn't exist in the same place. This is the same limitation with
> other string buffer
> overflow checks.

Then we need a flag, and ruby needs to use the flag to disable the
check on Linux.

The fundamental truth is that glibc implements POSIX, not "Linux."
And in POSIX there is a limit of FD_SETSIZE.

The default checking should be for POSIX.

We should provide a way to disable _FORTIFY_SOURCE checks that
are POSIX-only.

I still think your current macro is *better* because if __bos0
works then you have a dynamic check that is better than a static
check.

Thus the final solution is a combination of your new __bos0
changes and a flag to disable the check in the event that __bos0
fails.

What do you think?

Cheers,
Carlos.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-01 14:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-14  0:47 [PATCH v4 0/5] fix wrong program abort on __FD_ELT KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-14  0:47 ` [PATCH 2/5] __FD_ELT: Implement correct buffer overflow check KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-05-01  2:42   ` Carlos O'Donell
2013-05-01  6:28     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-05-01 14:42       ` Carlos O'Donell [this message]
2013-05-01 20:32         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-05-03  3:15           ` Carlos O'Donell
2013-05-01 20:11       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-05-03  3:15         ` Carlos O'Donell
2013-04-14  0:47 ` [PATCH 5/5] __FDS_BITS: Added cast to __fd_mask* to avoid warning KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-05-01  2:44   ` Carlos O'Donell
2013-04-14  0:47 ` [PATCH 3/5] update libc.abilist KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-14  0:47 ` [PATCH 1/5] __fdelt_chk: Removed range check KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-05-01  2:25   ` Carlos O'Donell
2013-05-01  6:40     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-05-01 14:45       ` Carlos O'Donell
2013-05-01 22:13         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-05-03  2:52           ` Carlos O'Donell
2013-04-14  0:47 ` [PATCH 4/5] tst-chk1: add fd_set dynamic allocation test KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-05-01  2:44   ` Carlos O'Donell
2013-05-01  6:29     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-05-01  3:08 ` [PATCH v4 0/5] fix wrong program abort on __FD_ELT Carlos O'Donell
2013-05-01  5:31   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-05-01 14:38     ` Carlos O'Donell
2013-05-01 22:21       ` KOSAKI Motohiro

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