~ftp/private/...

~ftp/private/...

[Andrew Cagney]

Anyone object to me creating a ~ftp/private (/gdb) directory?

I'm going to need somewhere that isn't mirrored to put the dreaded file
gdb-5.0.tar.gz (well actually gdb-4.18.90.tar.gz, gdb-4.18.91, ....)
before it gets officially released.

	Andrew

Re: ~ftp/private/...

[Jason Molenda]

On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 06:16:48PM +1000, Andrew Cagney wrote:
> Anyone object to me creating a ~ftp/private (/gdb) directory?

Oh oh, Mr. Carter!  Me, me!


I set up sourceware without a ~ftp/private on purpose.  It is easy
for maintainers or core developers to put things in private
directories needlessly, to cut themselves off from potential
contributors and muckers-at-large (who knows what those random net
people might do!)  The lack of a ~ftp/private dir is not an oversight.

It's the approach we took at Cygnus for a long time[1].  It is the
wrong approach.  So I didn't create a ~ftp/private dir on sourceware
to help break people of these habits.

[1] To be fair, everyone did it this way in the past.  But the world
has progressed, and this approach is no longer favored.

There have been two other instances where the lack of a ~ftp/private 
dir has annoyed maintainers on sourceware, but in both cases we
found usable workarounds.


> I'm going to need somewhere that isn't mirrored to put the dreaded file
> gdb-5.0.tar.gz (well actually gdb-4.18.90.tar.gz, gdb-4.18.91, ....)
> before it gets officially released.


Ah, I would suggest ~ftp/pub/gdb/snapshots/gdb-4.18.9[0-9].tar.gz.
Or when you get really close, ~ftp/pub/gdb/snapshots/gdb-5.0pre1.tar.gz.

What purpose does a private dir serve?  We've been putting snapshots up
in /pub/ for years, how is a snapshot worse?  About the only thing you
need to avoid is putting something called "gdb-5.0.tar.gz" on the ftp
dir that isn't really the final tarball.  But you'd be foolish to do 
something like that even to a private dir.

Free the Software,

Jason

Re: ~ftp/private/...

[Andrew Cagney]

Jason Molenda wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 06:16:48PM +1000, Andrew Cagney wrote:
> > Anyone object to me creating a ~ftp/private (/gdb) directory?
> 
> Oh oh, Mr. Carter!  Me, me!
So, who is Mr Carter?


> > I'm going to need somewhere that isn't mirrored to put the dreaded file
> > gdb-5.0.tar.gz (well actually gdb-4.18.90.tar.gz, gdb-4.18.91, ....)
> > before it gets officially released.
> 
> Ah, I would suggest ~ftp/pub/gdb/snapshots/gdb-4.18.9[0-9].tar.gz.
> Or when you get really close, ~ftp/pub/gdb/snapshots/gdb-5.0pre1.tar.gz.
> 
> What purpose does a private dir serve?  We've been putting snapshots up
> in /pub/ for years, how is a snapshot worse?  About the only thing you
> need to avoid is putting something called "gdb-5.0.tar.gz" on the ftp
> dir that isn't really the final tarball.  But you'd be foolish to do
> something like that even to a private dir.

Eventually, I'll get to the point where I have to create what is hoped
to be the golden archive and have one or two people test that.

If it isn't correctly named, it isn't a true final test.  Eventually, I
will have to be foolish :-)

	enjoy,
		Andrew

Re: ~ftp/private/...

[Stan Shebs]

Andrew Cagney wrote:
> 
> Eventually, I'll get to the point where I have to create what is hoped
> to be the golden archive and have one or two people test that.
> 
> If it isn't correctly named, it isn't a true final test.  Eventually, I
> will have to be foolish :-)

I understand the motivation, but I don't think you need to go to that
much trouble.  If by some incredible mischance, renaming the archive
and version string for the final release causes a bug, then you can
just create a 5.0.1 quickly, and everybody will be fine with that.

You're far more likely to get bug reports on 5.0 because many more people
try the release than the pre-release snapshots, alas only way to get those
reports is to do the release for real.

Stan

Re: ~ftp/private/...

[Jason Molenda]

On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 07:13:20PM +1000, Andrew Cagney wrote:

> > > Anyone object to me creating a ~ftp/private (/gdb) directory?
> > 
> > Oh oh, Mr. Carter!  Me, me!
> So, who is Mr Carter?


I'm so lame, I meant "Kotter".  There was a lame TV show here in
the US in the 70s called "Welcome Back Kotter", one of the characters
said this.  It seemed funny at the time.


I should probably add to my objection of a ~ftp/private dir that
I don't work for Red Hat any longer :-), and my opinions are just
opinions.  If one of the current maintainers thinks that this is silly,
I'm not going to pout in a corner upon the creation of a ~ftp/private
directory.


J

Re: ~ftp/private/...

[Jim Kingdon]

> I should probably add to my objection of a ~ftp/private dir that
> I don't work for Red Hat any longer :-), and my opinions are just
> opinions.  If one of the current maintainers thinks that this is silly,

I don't see the need for a private directory either.  At least not for
the reasons given so far in this thread.

Re: ~ftp/private/...

[Jim Kingdon]

> I should probably add to my objection of a ~ftp/private dir that
> I don't work for Red Hat any longer :-), and my opinions are just
> opinions.  If one of the current maintainers thinks that this is silly,

I don't see the need for a private directory either.  At least not for
the reasons given so far in this thread.

Re: ~ftp/private/...

[Andrew Cagney]

Jason Molenda wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 06:16:48PM +1000, Andrew Cagney wrote:
> > Anyone object to me creating a ~ftp/private (/gdb) directory?
> 
> Oh oh, Mr. Carter!  Me, me!
So, who is Mr Carter?


> > I'm going to need somewhere that isn't mirrored to put the dreaded file
> > gdb-5.0.tar.gz (well actually gdb-4.18.90.tar.gz, gdb-4.18.91, ....)
> > before it gets officially released.
> 
> Ah, I would suggest ~ftp/pub/gdb/snapshots/gdb-4.18.9[0-9].tar.gz.
> Or when you get really close, ~ftp/pub/gdb/snapshots/gdb-5.0pre1.tar.gz.
> 
> What purpose does a private dir serve?  We've been putting snapshots up
> in /pub/ for years, how is a snapshot worse?  About the only thing you
> need to avoid is putting something called "gdb-5.0.tar.gz" on the ftp
> dir that isn't really the final tarball.  But you'd be foolish to do
> something like that even to a private dir.

Eventually, I'll get to the point where I have to create what is hoped
to be the golden archive and have one or two people test that.

If it isn't correctly named, it isn't a true final test.  Eventually, I
will have to be foolish :-)

	enjoy,
		Andrew

Re: ~ftp/private/...

[Jason Molenda]

On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 06:16:48PM +1000, Andrew Cagney wrote:
> Anyone object to me creating a ~ftp/private (/gdb) directory?

Oh oh, Mr. Carter!  Me, me!


I set up sourceware without a ~ftp/private on purpose.  It is easy
for maintainers or core developers to put things in private
directories needlessly, to cut themselves off from potential
contributors and muckers-at-large (who knows what those random net
people might do!)  The lack of a ~ftp/private dir is not an oversight.

It's the approach we took at Cygnus for a long time[1].  It is the
wrong approach.  So I didn't create a ~ftp/private dir on sourceware
to help break people of these habits.

[1] To be fair, everyone did it this way in the past.  But the world
has progressed, and this approach is no longer favored.

There have been two other instances where the lack of a ~ftp/private 
dir has annoyed maintainers on sourceware, but in both cases we
found usable workarounds.


> I'm going to need somewhere that isn't mirrored to put the dreaded file
> gdb-5.0.tar.gz (well actually gdb-4.18.90.tar.gz, gdb-4.18.91, ....)
> before it gets officially released.


Ah, I would suggest ~ftp/pub/gdb/snapshots/gdb-4.18.9[0-9].tar.gz.
Or when you get really close, ~ftp/pub/gdb/snapshots/gdb-5.0pre1.tar.gz.

What purpose does a private dir serve?  We've been putting snapshots up
in /pub/ for years, how is a snapshot worse?  About the only thing you
need to avoid is putting something called "gdb-5.0.tar.gz" on the ftp
dir that isn't really the final tarball.  But you'd be foolish to do 
something like that even to a private dir.

Free the Software,

Jason

~ftp/private/...

[Andrew Cagney]

Anyone object to me creating a ~ftp/private (/gdb) directory?

I'm going to need somewhere that isn't mirrored to put the dreaded file
gdb-5.0.tar.gz (well actually gdb-4.18.90.tar.gz, gdb-4.18.91, ....)
before it gets officially released.

	Andrew

Re: ~ftp/private/...

[Stan Shebs]

Andrew Cagney wrote:
> 
> Eventually, I'll get to the point where I have to create what is hoped
> to be the golden archive and have one or two people test that.
> 
> If it isn't correctly named, it isn't a true final test.  Eventually, I
> will have to be foolish :-)

I understand the motivation, but I don't think you need to go to that
much trouble.  If by some incredible mischance, renaming the archive
and version string for the final release causes a bug, then you can
just create a 5.0.1 quickly, and everybody will be fine with that.

You're far more likely to get bug reports on 5.0 because many more people
try the release than the pre-release snapshots, alas only way to get those
reports is to do the release for real.

Stan

Re: ~ftp/private/...

[Jason Molenda]

On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 07:13:20PM +1000, Andrew Cagney wrote:

> > > Anyone object to me creating a ~ftp/private (/gdb) directory?
> > 
> > Oh oh, Mr. Carter!  Me, me!
> So, who is Mr Carter?


I'm so lame, I meant "Kotter".  There was a lame TV show here in
the US in the 70s called "Welcome Back Kotter", one of the characters
said this.  It seemed funny at the time.


I should probably add to my objection of a ~ftp/private dir that
I don't work for Red Hat any longer :-), and my opinions are just
opinions.  If one of the current maintainers thinks that this is silly,
I'm not going to pout in a corner upon the creation of a ~ftp/private
directory.


J