[danny@spesh.com: NTK now, 2000-07-21]

[danny@spesh.com: NTK now, 2000-07-21]

[Jason Molenda]

More MAPS vs ORBS stuff, but this time it's from the NTK guys so
it's more fun to read.


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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:49:37 +0100
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To: NTK now <ntknow@lists.ntk.net>
Subject: NTK now, 2000-07-21
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        "Muslim insurgents battling Philippine troops in the south
        have a new weapon. When the shelling and gunfire let up, they
        send a barrage of scathing insults to Manila's forces by cell phone."
http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/00/07/biztech/articles/05talk.html
                           ...W SHL FGT U N V BCHS! W SHL NVR SRNDR!


                                >> HARD NEWS <<
                                the P. of A.U.'s

         As the anti-spamming civil war enters another round of
         mud-slinging, allow us to slide into the only language the
         computer press understands: a straigh fight between good and
         evil. Mainly, GOOD PAUL VIXIE vs EVIL PAUL VIXIE. If Vixie
         is bad, he (and his boss at ABOVE.NET, Dave Rand) have been
         route-blackholing the anti-spam database ORBS just because
         they're on the board of fellow anti-spam list MAPS. And MAPS
         is going to start charging for some of its services, and
         they want stop ORBS from queering their pitch. That's what
         Alan Brown, ORBS' one-man anti-spamming army, rather
         enthusiastically intimated when he shut down his service in
         protest this week. And Alan Cox concurs. So it must be true.
         And if Vixie's *that* evil, then YESMAIL's law suit against
         MAPS is right too: the intimation there being that Vixie is
         putting Yesmail into MAPS' known spammers blackhole list,
         because he's on the board of WHITEHAT, Yesmail's main
         competitor in the lovely opt-in commercial e-mail world. But
         hold on: isn't Vixie a net.god? Didn't Vixie maintain BIND?
         Isn't Vixie running MAPS as a non-profit corp? And if Vixie
         is a *honourable* man, then Above.net is dumping ORBS
         connections internally because ORBS is breaching Above.net's
         Acceptable Use Policy by proactively scanning remote
         machines. And since ORBS's upstream provider is an Above.net
         customer and has chosen to *tell* people to route ORBS
         connections through Above.net (rather than more viable
         alternatives), that means Above.net's re-routing only
         *accidentally* routes non-Above.net connections into
         /dev/null . It's mainly ORBS' upstream provider that's
         caused the problem. And - wait a minute - if Vixie is
         *good*, then Yesmail is being blackholed because loads of
         people have complained to MAPS about Yesmail signing them up
         without their permission. Which they have. Good? Bad? Strap
         him into the IETF-approved witch-dunking apparatus immediately!
         http://tbtf.com/archive/2000-07-20.html#s03
                                 - if that wasn't clear enough...
         http://www.vix.com/
                                     - and Vixie is an honourable man
         http://www.above.net/company/management.html
                                       - money: the evil of all roots

[danny@spesh.com: NTK now, 2000-07-21]

[Jason Molenda]

More MAPS vs ORBS stuff, but this time it's from the NTK guys so
it's more fun to read.


----- Forwarded message from Danny O'Brien <danny@spesh.com> -----

Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:49:37 +0100
From: "Danny O'Brien" <danny@spesh.com>
To: NTK now <ntknow@lists.ntk.net>
Subject: NTK now, 2000-07-21
Reply-To: danny@spesh.com
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        "Muslim insurgents battling Philippine troops in the south
        have a new weapon. When the shelling and gunfire let up, they
        send a barrage of scathing insults to Manila's forces by cell phone."
http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/00/07/biztech/articles/05talk.html
                           ...W SHL FGT U N V BCHS! W SHL NVR SRNDR!


                                >> HARD NEWS <<
                                the P. of A.U.'s

         As the anti-spamming civil war enters another round of
         mud-slinging, allow us to slide into the only language the
         computer press understands: a straigh fight between good and
         evil. Mainly, GOOD PAUL VIXIE vs EVIL PAUL VIXIE. If Vixie
         is bad, he (and his boss at ABOVE.NET, Dave Rand) have been
         route-blackholing the anti-spam database ORBS just because
         they're on the board of fellow anti-spam list MAPS. And MAPS
         is going to start charging for some of its services, and
         they want stop ORBS from queering their pitch. That's what
         Alan Brown, ORBS' one-man anti-spamming army, rather
         enthusiastically intimated when he shut down his service in
         protest this week. And Alan Cox concurs. So it must be true.
         And if Vixie's *that* evil, then YESMAIL's law suit against
         MAPS is right too: the intimation there being that Vixie is
         putting Yesmail into MAPS' known spammers blackhole list,
         because he's on the board of WHITEHAT, Yesmail's main
         competitor in the lovely opt-in commercial e-mail world. But
         hold on: isn't Vixie a net.god? Didn't Vixie maintain BIND?
         Isn't Vixie running MAPS as a non-profit corp? And if Vixie
         is a *honourable* man, then Above.net is dumping ORBS
         connections internally because ORBS is breaching Above.net's
         Acceptable Use Policy by proactively scanning remote
         machines. And since ORBS's upstream provider is an Above.net
         customer and has chosen to *tell* people to route ORBS
         connections through Above.net (rather than more viable
         alternatives), that means Above.net's re-routing only
         *accidentally* routes non-Above.net connections into
         /dev/null . It's mainly ORBS' upstream provider that's
         caused the problem. And - wait a minute - if Vixie is
         *good*, then Yesmail is being blackholed because loads of
         people have complained to MAPS about Yesmail signing them up
         without their permission. Which they have. Good? Bad? Strap
         him into the IETF-approved witch-dunking apparatus immediately!
         http://tbtf.com/archive/2000-07-20.html#s03
                                 - if that wasn't clear enough...
         http://www.vix.com/
                                     - and Vixie is an honourable man
         http://www.above.net/company/management.html
                                       - money: the evil of all roots