Re: Patch to add libstdc++ lists to lists.html

Re: Patch to add libstdc++ lists to lists.html

[Joseph S. Myers]

On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:

>  +<p>For more info, and features of the mailing list software, please
>  +consult <a href=" http://sources.redhat.com/lists.html#faqs ">the
>  +documentation page for sources.redhat.com and gcc.gnu.org mailing
>  +lists</a>.
>  +</p>
>
> (This duplicates some information we already have, and it "demasks"
> gcc.gnu.org as sources.redhat.com, something which we cannot do due
> to *VERY* strong concerns by RMS.)

The point was, this text is on the libstdc++/mail.html page and has more
detailed information than the GCC page.  One of the issues with the move
was to be that GCC ought to have its own gcc.gnu.org-branded copy of that
page.

> In this case, please report the problems to overseers@gcc.gnu.org.

The following are issues with the libstdc++ move to gcc.gnu.org:

* Though subscription attempts through the gcc.gnu.org addresses get
through, the confirm messages refer to the wrong hostnames:

	Subject: confirm subscribe to libstdc++@sources.redhat.com

	Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
	libstdc++@sourceware.cygnus.com mailing list.

(Not being on the libstdc++ lists, I don't know whether messages from the
lists, as well as subscription ones, themselves get references to the
wrong hostname in any header beyond the inevitable references in Received
from reverse DNS.)

* The web page http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/libstdc++/ has some problems: two
links to December archives; links to FTP archives use the old
sources.redhat.com and sourceware.cygnus.com names rather than
gcc.gnu.org.  The hostname problems affect the libstdc++-cvs and
libstdc++-prs archives as well.  (I'm supposing that the libstdc++ ftp
site should be referenced to the gcc.gnu.org hostname; see below.)

* The web page http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/libstdc++/2000-12/ refers to the
"libstdc++@sources.redhat.com" mailing list; as do the current
libstdc++-cvs archives.  While there's no need to regenerate old archives,
the current ones, and newly added messages, ought to be getting references
to the gcc.gnu.org name instead.

* The GCC search form in search.html will need updating to include the
libstdc++ lists.  Maybe something needs to be done to get them included in
the right indexes as well, for this to work.

* The ftp mail archives should join the GCC ones in /pub/gcc.  Arguably,
the libstdc++ ftp site should move to under /pub/gcc (with a symlink).
I'm presuming that until this is done, it will be safe to refer to
ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/libstdc++/ .

-- 
Joseph S. Myers
jsm28@cam.ac.uk

Re: Patch to add libstdc++ lists to lists.html

[Jason Molenda]

On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:31:36PM +0000, Joseph S. Myers wrote:

> * The web page http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/libstdc++/ has some problems: two
> links to December archives;

Interesting problem.  I'm guessing that the list archives appear
on both sites via a filesystem symlink.  The once-a-month scripts
don't look for a symlink or a list that appears under both sourceware
and gcc; it'll add a Dec entry for the libstdc++ under sourceware
and another for the list under gcc.

Fixing the monthly scripts is an option.  A better one is to move
it to the gcc side and add httpd redirects to the sourceware side
so that people accessing the list under sourceware are redirected
to gcc.  Symlinks which make the same content appear under two web
addresses are rarely a good idea.  Pick a canonical location and
shunt everyone to that one location.



The rest of the noted problems are straightforward.  I'd add one
bit here:

> * The ftp mail archives should join the GCC ones in /pub/gcc.  Arguably,
> the libstdc++ ftp site should move to under /pub/gcc (with a symlink).
> I'm presuming that until this is done, it will be safe to refer to
> ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/libstdc++/ .


None of the archiving scripts will support
~ftp/pub/gcc/libstdc++/mail-archives.  They only support
~ftp/pub/PROJECT/mail-archives.

Jason

Re: Patch to add libstdc++ lists to lists.html

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Jason Molenda wrote:
> Fixing the monthly scripts is an option.  A better one is to move
> it to the gcc side and add httpd redirects to the sourceware side
> so that people accessing the list under sourceware are redirected

Yes, that would be my preference as well.

Gerald
-- 
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/

Re: Patch to add libstdc++ lists to lists.html

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 03:46:36PM -0800, Jason Molenda wrote:
>On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:31:36PM +0000, Joseph S. Myers wrote:
>
>> * The web page http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/libstdc++/ has some problems: two
>> links to December archives;
>
>Interesting problem.  I'm guessing that the list archives appear
>on both sites via a filesystem symlink.  The once-a-month scripts
>don't look for a symlink or a list that appears under both sourceware
>and gcc; it'll add a Dec entry for the libstdc++ under sourceware
>and another for the list under gcc.

Yep.  That was my fault.  I didn't realize that this would be a
potential problem when I made the link.  It seems sort of obvious
now.

cgf

Re: Patch to add libstdc++ lists to lists.html

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Jason Molenda wrote:
> Fixing the monthly scripts is an option.  A better one is to move
> it to the gcc side and add httpd redirects to the sourceware side
> so that people accessing the list under sourceware are redirected

Yes, that would be my preference as well.

Gerald
-- 
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/

Re: Patch to add libstdc++ lists to lists.html

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 03:46:36PM -0800, Jason Molenda wrote:
>On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:31:36PM +0000, Joseph S. Myers wrote:
>
>> * The web page http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/libstdc++/ has some problems: two
>> links to December archives;
>
>Interesting problem.  I'm guessing that the list archives appear
>on both sites via a filesystem symlink.  The once-a-month scripts
>don't look for a symlink or a list that appears under both sourceware
>and gcc; it'll add a Dec entry for the libstdc++ under sourceware
>and another for the list under gcc.

Yep.  That was my fault.  I didn't realize that this would be a
potential problem when I made the link.  It seems sort of obvious
now.

cgf

Re: Patch to add libstdc++ lists to lists.html

[Joseph S. Myers]

On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:

>  +<p>For more info, and features of the mailing list software, please
>  +consult <a href=" http://sources.redhat.com/lists.html#faqs ">the
>  +documentation page for sources.redhat.com and gcc.gnu.org mailing
>  +lists</a>.
>  +</p>
>
> (This duplicates some information we already have, and it "demasks"
> gcc.gnu.org as sources.redhat.com, something which we cannot do due
> to *VERY* strong concerns by RMS.)

The point was, this text is on the libstdc++/mail.html page and has more
detailed information than the GCC page.  One of the issues with the move
was to be that GCC ought to have its own gcc.gnu.org-branded copy of that
page.

> In this case, please report the problems to overseers@gcc.gnu.org.

The following are issues with the libstdc++ move to gcc.gnu.org:

* Though subscription attempts through the gcc.gnu.org addresses get
through, the confirm messages refer to the wrong hostnames:

	Subject: confirm subscribe to libstdc++@sources.redhat.com

	Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
	libstdc++@sourceware.cygnus.com mailing list.

(Not being on the libstdc++ lists, I don't know whether messages from the
lists, as well as subscription ones, themselves get references to the
wrong hostname in any header beyond the inevitable references in Received
from reverse DNS.)

* The web page http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/libstdc++/ has some problems: two
links to December archives; links to FTP archives use the old
sources.redhat.com and sourceware.cygnus.com names rather than
gcc.gnu.org.  The hostname problems affect the libstdc++-cvs and
libstdc++-prs archives as well.  (I'm supposing that the libstdc++ ftp
site should be referenced to the gcc.gnu.org hostname; see below.)

* The web page http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/libstdc++/2000-12/ refers to the
"libstdc++@sources.redhat.com" mailing list; as do the current
libstdc++-cvs archives.  While there's no need to regenerate old archives,
the current ones, and newly added messages, ought to be getting references
to the gcc.gnu.org name instead.

* The GCC search form in search.html will need updating to include the
libstdc++ lists.  Maybe something needs to be done to get them included in
the right indexes as well, for this to work.

* The ftp mail archives should join the GCC ones in /pub/gcc.  Arguably,
the libstdc++ ftp site should move to under /pub/gcc (with a symlink).
I'm presuming that until this is done, it will be safe to refer to
ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/libstdc++/ .

-- 
Joseph S. Myers
jsm28@cam.ac.uk

Re: Patch to add libstdc++ lists to lists.html

[Jason Molenda]

On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:31:36PM +0000, Joseph S. Myers wrote:

> * The web page http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/libstdc++/ has some problems: two
> links to December archives;

Interesting problem.  I'm guessing that the list archives appear
on both sites via a filesystem symlink.  The once-a-month scripts
don't look for a symlink or a list that appears under both sourceware
and gcc; it'll add a Dec entry for the libstdc++ under sourceware
and another for the list under gcc.

Fixing the monthly scripts is an option.  A better one is to move
it to the gcc side and add httpd redirects to the sourceware side
so that people accessing the list under sourceware are redirected
to gcc.  Symlinks which make the same content appear under two web
addresses are rarely a good idea.  Pick a canonical location and
shunt everyone to that one location.



The rest of the noted problems are straightforward.  I'd add one
bit here:

> * The ftp mail archives should join the GCC ones in /pub/gcc.  Arguably,
> the libstdc++ ftp site should move to under /pub/gcc (with a symlink).
> I'm presuming that until this is done, it will be safe to refer to
> ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/libstdc++/ .


None of the archiving scripts will support
~ftp/pub/gcc/libstdc++/mail-archives.  They only support
~ftp/pub/PROJECT/mail-archives.

Jason