libc-locales mailing list

libc-locales mailing list

[Roland McGrath]

What does it take to get a new mailing list created on sources.redhat.com?
I'd like to have a new one associated with the glibc project, called
libc-locales (or glibc-locales, if you prefer, but other libc lists are
called libc-foo).


Thanks,
Roland

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 04:56:58PM -0800, Roland McGrath wrote:
>What does it take to get a new mailing list created on sources.redhat.com?

You just did it.

>I'd like to have a new one associated with the glibc project, called
>libc-locales (or glibc-locales, if you prefer, but other libc lists are
>called libc-foo).

I'll set this up in the next few days.  I assume this will probably be a
low volume, unmoderated mailing list?  If so, I'll set the archiving as
"quarterly".

cgf

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Roland McGrath]

> I'll set this up in the next few days.  I assume this will probably be a
> low volume, unmoderated mailing list?  

Yes.  It will be low-volume.  It might be restricted to posting by members
or only, or perhaps not, depending on the preference of the initial members.
How does membership approval work with whatever system you are using?
Probably the approvals will be done by Petter Reinholdtsen <pere@hungry.com>,
but also perhaps by me.

> If so, I'll set the archiving as "quarterly".

Otay.  


Thanks,
Roland

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 05:28:28PM -0800, Roland McGrath wrote:
>> I'll set this up in the next few days.  I assume this will probably be a
>> low volume, unmoderated mailing list?  
>
>Yes.  It will be low-volume.  It might be restricted to posting by members
>or only, or perhaps not, depending on the preference of the initial members.
>How does membership approval work with whatever system you are using?

http://sourceware.org/lists.html#what-software

>Probably the approvals will be done by Petter Reinholdtsen <pere@hungry.com>,
>but also perhaps by me.

Um.  Ok.  So this complicates matters.  I'd greatly prefer getting this
information before the list is set up because changing the list
afterwards is somewhat error prone.

cgf

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Roland McGrath]

> On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 05:28:28PM -0800, Roland McGrath wrote:
> >> I'll set this up in the next few days.  I assume this will probably be a
> >> low volume, unmoderated mailing list?  
> >
> >Yes.  It will be low-volume.  It might be restricted to posting by members
> >or only, or perhaps not, depending on the preference of the initial members.
> >How does membership approval work with whatever system you are using?
> 
> http://sourceware.org/lists.html#what-software

The ezmlm-idx link there is bad.  So I still have no information about how
that system works for a list administrator.

> Um.  Ok.  So this complicates matters.  I'd greatly prefer getting this
> information before the list is set up because changing the list
> afterwards is somewhat error prone.

How does it work?  Does it just need an address to send things to and want
approval messages to come from?  Or is there a web thing with passwords?

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 05:45:59PM -0800, Roland McGrath wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 05:28:28PM -0800, Roland McGrath wrote:
>> >> I'll set this up in the next few days.  I assume this will probably be a
>> >> low volume, unmoderated mailing list?  
>> >
>> >Yes.  It will be low-volume.  It might be restricted to posting by members
>> >or only, or perhaps not, depending on the preference of the initial members.
>> >How does membership approval work with whatever system you are using?
>> 
>> http://sourceware.org/lists.html#what-software
>
>The ezmlm-idx link there is bad.  So I still have no information about how
>that system works for a list administrator.

I did a google search and found a better link.  It is there now.

>> Um.  Ok.  So this complicates matters.  I'd greatly prefer getting this
>> information before the list is set up because changing the list
>> afterwards is somewhat error prone.
>
>How does it work?  Does it just need an address to send things to and want
>approval messages to come from?  Or is there a web thing with passwords?

email.

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Roland McGrath]

What little I can glean from the docs suggests there can be multiple
subscription moderators.  So what is the problem?

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 07:05:57PM -0800, Roland McGrath wrote:
>What little I can glean from the docs suggests there can be multiple
>subscription moderators.  So what is the problem?

My quoting in the previous email was suboptimal.

The problem is not having multiple moderators.  It is changing the
"posting by members only" part after creating the list.

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Roland McGrath]

> The problem is not having multiple moderators.  It is changing the
> "posting by members only" part after creating the list.

Oh, ok.  I am pretty sure that's what we want, but I will make sure.

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Roland McGrath]

libc-locales should indeed be a list with posting limited to subscribers
and subscriptions requiring approval.  Subscription moderators should
include <pere@hungry.com> and <roland@gnu.org>.  For posting moderator
(i.e. moderator for non-subscriber postings), <pere@hungry.com>.


Thanks,
Roland

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[Roland McGrath]
> libc-locales should indeed be a list with posting limited to subscribers
> and subscriptions requiring approval.  Subscription moderators should
> include <pere@hungry.com> and <roland@gnu.org>.  For posting moderator
> (i.e. moderator for non-subscriber postings), <pere@hungry.com>.

It would be nice if the initial subscriber list contain these
addresses:

  Christian Rose <menthos@gnu.org>
  Danilo Segan <dsegan@gmx.net>
  Ionel Mugurel Ciobica <tgakic@chem.tue.nl>
  Keld Jørn Simonsen <keld@dkuug.dk>
  Manuel Novoa III <mjn3@codepoet.org>
  Mashrab Kuvatov <kmashrab@sat.physik.uni-bremen.de>
  Petter Reinholdtsen <pere@hungry.com>
  Volodymyr M. Lisivka <lvm@mystery.lviv.net>

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 02:12:10PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
>[Roland McGrath]
>> libc-locales should indeed be a list with posting limited to subscribers
>> and subscriptions requiring approval.  Subscription moderators should
>> include <pere@hungry.com> and <roland@gnu.org>.  For posting moderator
>> (i.e. moderator for non-subscriber postings), <pere@hungry.com>.
>
>It would be nice if the initial subscriber list contain these
>addresses:
>
>  Christian Rose <menthos@gnu.org>
>  Danilo Segan <dsegan@gmx.net>
>  Ionel Mugurel Ciobica <tgakic@chem.tue.nl>
>  Keld J?rn Simonsen <keld@dkuug.dk>
>  Manuel Novoa III <mjn3@codepoet.org>
>  Mashrab Kuvatov <kmashrab@sat.physik.uni-bremen.de>
>  Petter Reinholdtsen <pere@hungry.com>
>  Volodymyr M. Lisivka <lvm@mystery.lviv.net>

I'm not going to subscribe people.  They can do that themselves.

I'll try to get to this tomorrow.

cgf

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 04:39:21PM -0800, Roland McGrath wrote:
>libc-locales should indeed be a list with posting limited to subscribers
>and subscriptions requiring approval.  Subscription moderators should
>include <pere@hungry.com> and <roland@gnu.org>.  For posting moderator
>(i.e. moderator for non-subscriber postings), <pere@hungry.com>.

I've set up this mailing list.  I'm very sorry for the delay.  I was
just cleaning out my inbox and came across this.

I haven't set up any subscribers.  You can subscribe people using the
ezmlm remote admin facilities.

cgf

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[Christopher Faylor, 2004-01-22]
> I've set up this mailing list.  I'm very sorry for the delay.  I was
> just cleaning out my inbox and came across this.
> 
> I haven't set up any subscribers.  You can subscribe people using
> the ezmlm remote admin facilities.

Thank you.  I finally found time to announce the new list.

Is there some docs describing how to configure the list.  I would like
subscribers to be able to post directly, and only have to moderate the
non-subscribers.  At the moment, it seems like I have to moderate all
subscriptions.  Also, I do not want to confirm all subscribers to the
list as long as there is already is a confirm step for the user trying
to subscribe.  I looked at the documentation at
<URL:http://ezmlm.org/>, but am not sure what I am looking for.  I
didn't find what I was looking for on my first search, at least.

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 04:18:22PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
>[Christopher Faylor, 2004-01-22]
>>I've set up this mailing list.  I'm very sorry for the delay.  I was
>>just cleaning out my inbox and came across this.
>>
>>I haven't set up any subscribers.  You can subscribe people using the
>>ezmlm remote admin facilities.
>
>Thank you.  I finally found time to announce the new list.
>
>Is there some docs describing how to configure the list.  I would like
>subscribers to be able to post directly, and only have to moderate the
>non-subscribers.  At the moment, it seems like I have to moderate all
>subscriptions.  Also, I do not want to confirm all subscribers to the
>list as long as there is already is a confirm step for the user trying
>to subscribe.  I looked at the documentation at
><URL:http://ezmlm.org/>, but am not sure what I am looking for.  I
>didn't find what I was looking for on my first search, at least.

The list was set up as requested.  I don't recall what features Roland
asked for but they should be in the overseers archive.

AFAIK, you can't remotely change moderation functionality once the list
is set up.  That would require manual intervention from someone.  I
tried to get this all very clear when I set up the list so I am really
not too keen on making modifications to the moderation policy if it
doesn't meet your needs.

I'll leave that duty to another overseer.

cgf

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[Christopher Faylor]
> The list was set up as requested.  I don't recall what features
> Roland asked for but they should be in the overseers archive.

He asked for these features:

[Roland McGrath, 2003-12-26]
> libc-locales should indeed be a list with posting limited to
> subscribers and subscriptions requiring approval.  Subscription
> moderators should include <pere@hungry.com> and <roland@gnu.org>.
> For posting moderator (i.e. moderator for non-subscriber postings),
> <pere@hungry.com>.

What confuses me is that the list seem to ask me to moderate all
postings, even if the poster (me) is subscribed.

[Christopher Faylor]
> AFAIK, you can't remotely change moderation functionality once the list
> is set up.  That would require manual intervention from someone.

Oh, I didn't konw.  I'm not used to such mailing lists.  I expected
this change to be as simple as flipping a switch as it is with
majordomo and mailman.

> I tried to get this all very clear when I set up the list so I am
> really not too keen on making modifications to the moderation policy
> if it doesn't meet your needs.
> 
> I'll leave that duty to another overseer.

OK.  I look forward to someone having time to fix it.  I hope it
happen before a lot of people start posting, as the moderator
procedure is a bit slow to me. :)

As it is now, I am the only subscriber, so I do not expect a rush of
postings. :)

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 04:45:59PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
>[Christopher Faylor]
>>The list was set up as requested.  I don't recall what features Roland
>>asked for but they should be in the overseers archive.
>
>He asked for these features:
>
>[Roland McGrath, 2003-12-26]
>>libc-locales should indeed be a list with posting limited to
>>subscribers and subscriptions requiring approval.  Subscription
>>moderators should include <pere@hungry.com> and <roland@gnu.org>.  For
>>posting moderator (i.e.  moderator for non-subscriber postings),
>><pere@hungry.com>.
>
>What confuses me is that the list seem to ask me to moderate all
>postings, even if the poster (me) is subscribed.

I've changed the flag which controls this.  Subscribers should be able
to post without moderation now.

cgf

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 04:02:50PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 04:45:59PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
>>[Christopher Faylor]
>>>The list was set up as requested.  I don't recall what features Roland
>>>asked for but they should be in the overseers archive.
>>
>>He asked for these features:
>>
>>[Roland McGrath, 2003-12-26]
>>>libc-locales should indeed be a list with posting limited to
>>>subscribers and subscriptions requiring approval.  Subscription
>>>moderators should include <pere@hungry.com> and <roland@gnu.org>.  For
>>>posting moderator (i.e.  moderator for non-subscriber postings),
>>><pere@hungry.com>.
>>
>>What confuses me is that the list seem to ask me to moderate all
>>postings, even if the poster (me) is subscribed.
>
>I've changed the flag which controls this.  Subscribers should be able
>to post without moderation now.

Btw, I should make it clear that the misconfiguration was probably an
error on my part, or at least an error in a script that I wrote.
Apologies.

cgf

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[Christopher Faylor]
> I've changed the flag which controls this.  Subscribers should be able
> to post without moderation now.

Thank you very much.  It should make my part a lot easier. :)

Do any of you know when the mailing list archive will be available on
the web?  I'm looking at
<URL:http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-locales/>, but my posting
haven't made it to that web page yet.  I suspect mail problems on my
end, but am not sure if that is the issue.

Re: libc-locales mailing list

[Roland McGrath]

I have received several posts for moderation or subscription approval or
something.  These might be getting BCC'd to me as well as going to pere, or
perhaps not.  I don't think I was ever supposed to get them, though.