* Re: DMARC - gmail.com or is it yahoo.com
[not found] ` <20161130110601.GH14074@calimero.vinschen.de>
@ 2016-11-30 14:09 ` Eric Blake
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From: Eric Blake @ 2016-11-30 14:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: overseers
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On 11/30/2016 05:06 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> On Nov 29 13:25, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> On 29 November 2016 at 11:59, Erik Soderquist <ErikSoderquist@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 11:19 AM, David Macek wrote:
>>>> What happens is that ezmlm (the mailing list software) broadcasts this
>>>> message (after adding a bunch of links at the bottom) to everyone
>>>> subscribed, but with the sender unchanged. Yahoo has got a DMARC policy
>>>> set up that is supposed to ensure that only Yahoo servers can send
>>>> messages marked as "from ...@yahoo.com". As you can see, Google is
>>>> enforcing the policy and correctly rejecting the message as fake (it
>>>> really wasn't sent by Yahoo, but by Sourceware). This is only going to
>>>> happen more and more often as email providers up the battle against
>>>> spam.
>>>>
>>>> The best solution is to change the way ezmlm re-sends the messages, I
>>>> bet there's a big discussion about it somewhere on the Internet.
>>>
>>> Probably hundreds if not thousands of such discussions!
>>>
>>> Who is in charge of the list server configuration? Sourceware itself, or
>>> someone from Cygwin?
>>
>> Sourceware runs the lists
>
> Indeed. The problem is, I have no idea what this is about. If you have
> problems in terms of the sourceware mailer stuff, please feel free to
> politely explain what the problem is and ask if that can be fixed on
> either the overseers AT sourceware DOT org mailing list, or the Freenode
> IRC channel #overseers.
Redirecting to overseers, and adding a useful link:
https://wiki.list.org/DOC/What%20can%20I%20do%20about%20members%20being%20unsubscribed%20by%20bounces%20of%20Yahoo%20user's%20posts%20for%20DMARC%20policy%20reasons%3F
I don't know if ezmlm has the same settings as mailman, but as more and
more ISPs and mail gateways start tightening their DMARC rules, we
really should fix the outgoing list emails to be DMARC-compliant.
--
Eric Blake eblake redhat com +1-919-301-3266
Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org
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* Fwd: Re: DMARC - gmail.com or is it yahoo.com
[not found] ` <CACoZoo29vXpb0MzUri+NPJiZ5GSF+VZAykLa+JjS=g0VDEP7Pg@mail.gmail.com>
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@ 2016-11-30 15:25 ` cyg Simple
2016-11-30 15:55 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
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From: cyg Simple @ 2016-11-30 15:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: overseers; +Cc: cygwin
Overseers,
See the description below of a problem that is occurring because of
DMARC rules in place by yahoo.com. Is there anything you can do for this?
Regards,
cygSimple
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: DMARC - gmail.com or is it yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:59:53 -0500
From: Erik Soderquist <ErikSoderquist@gmail.com>
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 11:19 AM, David Macek wrote:
> What happens is that ezmlm (the mailing list software) broadcasts this
> message (after adding a bunch of links at the bottom) to everyone
> subscribed, but with the sender unchanged. Yahoo has got a DMARC policy
> set up that is supposed to ensure that only Yahoo servers can send
> messages marked as "from ...@yahoo.com". As you can see, Google is
> enforcing the policy and correctly rejecting the message as fake (it
> really wasn't sent by Yahoo, but by Sourceware). This is only going to
> happen more and more often as email providers up the battle against
> spam.
>
> The best solution is to change the way ezmlm re-sends the messages, I
> bet there's a big discussion about it somewhere on the Internet.
Probably hundreds if not thousands of such discussions!
Who is in charge of the list server configuration? Sourceware itself, or
someone from Cygwin?
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2016-11-30 15:25 ` Fwd: " cyg Simple
@ 2016-11-30 15:55 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2016-11-30 16:00 ` Christopher Faylor
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Frank Ch. Eigler @ 2016-11-30 15:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cgf; +Cc: overseers, cygwin, cygsimple
Hi -
cygsimple wrote:
> See the description below of a problem that is occurring because of
> DMARC rules in place by yahoo.com. Is there anything you can do for this?
cgf, any chance of updating our copy of ezmlm-toaster etc.?
Newer-than-2014 versions of ezmlm-idx seem to have some DMARC
capabilities.
- FChE
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* Re: Fwd: Re: DMARC - gmail.com or is it yahoo.com
2016-11-30 15:55 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
@ 2016-11-30 16:00 ` Christopher Faylor
2016-12-10 20:40 ` Christopher Faylor
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Christopher Faylor @ 2016-11-30 16:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: overseers; +Cc: cygwin, Frank Ch. Eigler, cygsimple, eblake
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:55:49AM -0500, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
>cygsimple wrote:
>
>> See the description below of a problem that is occurring because of
>> DMARC rules in place by yahoo.com. Is there anything you can do for this?
>
>cgf, any chance of updating our copy of ezmlm-toaster etc.?
>Newer-than-2014 versions of ezmlm-idx seem to have some DMARC
>capabilities.
fche, I read overseers. No need to clutter my personal inbox with this.
I started looking at this when it came in. No ETA yet.
cgf
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* Re: Fwd: Re: DMARC - gmail.com or is it yahoo.com
2016-11-30 16:00 ` Christopher Faylor
@ 2016-12-10 20:40 ` Christopher Faylor
2016-12-12 7:58 ` David Macek
2016-12-14 14:16 ` cyg Simple
0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Christopher Faylor @ 2016-12-10 20:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: eblake, cygsimple, Frank Ch. Eigler, overseers, cygwin
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:00:12AM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:55:49AM -0500, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
>>cygsimple wrote:
>>> See the description below of a problem that is occurring because of
>>> DMARC rules in place by yahoo.com. Is there anything you can do for this?
>>
>>cgf, any chance of updating our copy of ezmlm-toaster etc.?
>>Newer-than-2014 versions of ezmlm-idx seem to have some DMARC
>>capabilities.
>
>I started looking at this when it came in. No ETA yet.
Huh. I thought I sent an update about this but it vanished in the aether.
I just turned on a new DMARC-aware version of ezmlm-send which rewrites
the From address for any domain that is DMARC sensitive to something like:
"User name via mailinglist <mailinglist@sourceware.org>"
when the mail is broadcast to the mailing list. I would have done this
sooner but my ezmlm skills were really rusty and I almost ran out of
extremities to shoot.
Please send any errors or issues encountered to overseers@sourceware.org.
cgf
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* Re: Fwd: Re: DMARC - gmail.com or is it yahoo.com
2016-12-10 20:40 ` Christopher Faylor
@ 2016-12-12 7:58 ` David Macek
2016-12-14 14:16 ` cyg Simple
1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: David Macek @ 2016-12-12 7:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin, fche, overseers
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On 10. 12. 2016 21:39, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:00:12AM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:55:49AM -0500, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
>>> cygsimple wrote:
>>>> See the description below of a problem that is occurring because of
>>>> DMARC rules in place by yahoo.com. Is there anything you can do for this?
>>>
>>> cgf, any chance of updating our copy of ezmlm-toaster etc.?
>>> Newer-than-2014 versions of ezmlm-idx seem to have some DMARC
>>> capabilities.
>>
>> I started looking at this when it came in. No ETA yet.
>
> Huh. I thought I sent an update about this but it vanished in the aether.
FWIW, I received a message on [Thu, 8 Dec 2016 21:14:41 -0800 (PST)]:
> I'm going to use start using a new version of ezmlm-send on Friday. It will
> rewrite the From addresses of any domain which wants to use DMARC. From what
> I've read, that should stop yahoo and gmail from complaining.
> I just turned on a new DMARC-aware version of ezmlm-send which rewrites
> the From address for any domain that is DMARC sensitive to something like:
>
> "User name via mailinglist <mailinglist@sourceware.org>"
>
> when the mail is broadcast to the mailing list. I would have done this
> sooner but my ezmlm skills were really rusty and I almost ran out of
> extremities to shoot.
Thanks. By the way, does that include domains with SPF?
> Please send any errors or issues encountered to overseers@sourceware.org.
--
David Macek
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* Re: Fwd: Re: DMARC - gmail.com or is it yahoo.com
2016-12-10 20:40 ` Christopher Faylor
2016-12-12 7:58 ` David Macek
@ 2016-12-14 14:16 ` cyg Simple
2016-12-14 15:28 ` Christopher Faylor
1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: cyg Simple @ 2016-12-14 14:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: eblake, cygsimple, Frank Ch. Eigler, overseers, cygwin
On 12/10/2016 3:39 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:00:12AM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:55:49AM -0500, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
>>> cygsimple wrote:
>>>> See the description below of a problem that is occurring because of
>>>> DMARC rules in place by yahoo.com. Is there anything you can do for this?
>>>
>>> cgf, any chance of updating our copy of ezmlm-toaster etc.?
>>> Newer-than-2014 versions of ezmlm-idx seem to have some DMARC
>>> capabilities.
>>
>> I started looking at this when it came in. No ETA yet.
>
> Huh. I thought I sent an update about this but it vanished in the aether.
>
> I just turned on a new DMARC-aware version of ezmlm-send which rewrites
> the From address for any domain that is DMARC sensitive to something like:
>
> "User name via mailinglist <mailinglist@sourceware.org>"
>
> when the mail is broadcast to the mailing list. I would have done this
> sooner but my ezmlm skills were really rusty and I almost ran out of
> extremities to shoot.
>
> Please send any errors or issues encountered to overseers@sourceware.org.
The issue continues.
Here are the message numbers:
206020
206062
--- Enclosed is a copy of the bounce message I received.
Return-Path: <>
Received: (qmail 128079 invoked for bounce); 2 Dec 2016 17:38:50 -0000
Date: 2 Dec 2016 17:38:50 -0000
From: MAILER-DAEMON@sourceware.org
To: cygwin-return-206020-@cygwin.com
Subject: failure notice
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at sourceware.org.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
<cygsimple@gmail.com>:
User and password not set, continuing without authentication.
<cygsimple@gmail.com> 173.194.203.26 failed after I sent the message.
Remote host said: 550-5.7.1 Unauthenticated email from yahoo.com is not
accepted due to domain's
550-5.7.1 DMARC policy. Please contact the administrator of yahoo.com
domain if
550-5.7.1 this was a legitimate mail. Please visit
550-5.7.1 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/2451690 to learn about the
550 5.7.1 DMARC initiative. e85si746691pfj.218 - gsmtp
--
cyg Simple
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* Re: Fwd: Re: DMARC - gmail.com or is it yahoo.com
2016-12-14 14:16 ` cyg Simple
@ 2016-12-14 15:28 ` Christopher Faylor
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Christopher Faylor @ 2016-12-14 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin, overseers, Frank Ch. Eigler, cyg Simple
On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 09:15:46AM -0500, cyg Simple wrote:
>On 12/10/2016 3:39 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:00:12AM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:55:49AM -0500, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
>>>> cygsimple wrote:
>>>>> See the description below of a problem that is occurring because of
>>>>> DMARC rules in place by yahoo.com. Is there anything you can do for this?
>>>>
>>>> cgf, any chance of updating our copy of ezmlm-toaster etc.?
>>>> Newer-than-2014 versions of ezmlm-idx seem to have some DMARC
>>>> capabilities.
>>>
>>> I started looking at this when it came in. No ETA yet.
>>
>> Huh. I thought I sent an update about this but it vanished in the aether.
>>
>> I just turned on a new DMARC-aware version of ezmlm-send which rewrites
>> the From address for any domain that is DMARC sensitive to something like:
>>
>> "User name via mailinglist <mailinglist@sourceware.org>"
>>
>> when the mail is broadcast to the mailing list. I would have done this
>> sooner but my ezmlm skills were really rusty and I almost ran out of
>> extremities to shoot.
>>
>> Please send any errors or issues encountered to overseers@sourceware.org.
>
>The issue continues.
>
>Here are the message numbers:
>
> 206020
> 206062
I sent the above on 12/10. Those messages were sent on 12/1 and 12/7
respectively. The change was not retroactive.
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* Re: Fwd: Re: DMARC - gmail.com or is it yahoo.com
[not found] <860417281.1051305.1481544439039.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
@ 2016-12-12 12:10 ` Ian Lambert
2016-12-12 14:54 ` Christopher Faylor
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Ian Lambert @ 2016-12-12 12:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin; +Cc: overseers
On Sat, 12/10/16, Christopher Faylor <cgf-use-the-mailinglist-please@sourceware.org> wrote:
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: DMARC - gmail.com or is it yahoo.com
To: ...
Date: Saturday, December 10, 2016, 3:39 PM
I just turned on a
new DMARC-aware version of ezmlm-send which rewrites
the From address for any domain that is DMARC
sensitive to something like:
...
Please send any
errors or issues encountered to overseers@sourceware.org.
= = =
It seems to have done away with the auto-signature helpful
links, and References, at least for my last reply.
Problem reports:
FAQ:
Documentation:
Unsubscribe info:
and
References
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2016-12-12 12:10 ` Ian Lambert
@ 2016-12-12 14:54 ` Christopher Faylor
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Christopher Faylor @ 2016-12-12 14:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: overseers, cygwin
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:07:19PM +0000, Ian Lambert wrote:
>On Sat, 12/10/16, Christopher Faylor <cgf-use-the-mailinglist-please@sourceware.org> wrote:
> I just turned on a
> new DMARC-aware version of ezmlm-send which rewrites
> the From address for any domain that is DMARC
> sensitive to something like:
>
>...
> Please send any
> errors or issues encountered to overseers@sourceware.org.
>
> = = =
>
>It seems to have done away with the auto-signature helpful
>links, and References, at least for my last reply.
>
>Problem reports:
>FAQ:
>Documentation:
>Unsubscribe info:
>and
>References
Should be fixed now.
cgf
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