* If somebody gets a chance
@ 2003-12-01 5:46 Daniel Berlin
2003-12-01 6:37 ` Zack Weinberg
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From: Daniel Berlin @ 2003-12-01 5:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: overseers
Could you be kind enough to install graphviz on sources?
RPMS are at http://www.graphviz.org/pub/graphviz/
You just need the graphviz*.i386.rpm RPMS, not webfonts or webdot.
It's used for dependency graphing in bugzilla.
Currently, bugzilla uses my web server's public webdot interface, which
is getting to be a bit of a load on my connection (Bugzilla has the
option of using a locally installed graphviz, or a public webdot
server, for generating the graphs).
Thanks,
Dan
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* Re: If somebody gets a chance
2003-12-01 5:46 If somebody gets a chance Daniel Berlin
@ 2003-12-01 6:37 ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-01 7:04 ` Phil Edwards
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From: Zack Weinberg @ 2003-12-01 6:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Daniel Berlin; +Cc: overseers
Daniel Berlin <dberlin@dberlin.org> writes:
> Could you be kind enough to install graphviz on sources?
> RPMS are at http://www.graphviz.org/pub/graphviz/
>
> You just need the graphviz*.i386.rpm RPMS, not webfonts or webdot.
Let's not give RMS *another* reason to complain about non-free
software use on gcc.gnu.org, eh? Isn't there a free clone somewhere?
zw
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* Re: If somebody gets a chance
2003-12-01 6:37 ` Zack Weinberg
@ 2003-12-01 7:04 ` Phil Edwards
2003-12-01 10:45 ` Gerald Pfeifer
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From: Phil Edwards @ 2003-12-01 7:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Zack Weinberg; +Cc: Daniel Berlin, overseers
On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 10:37:34PM -0800, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> Daniel Berlin <dberlin@dberlin.org> writes:
>
> > Could you be kind enough to install graphviz on sources?
> > RPMS are at http://www.graphviz.org/pub/graphviz/
> >
> > You just need the graphviz*.i386.rpm RPMS, not webfonts or webdot.
>
> Let's not give RMS *another* reason to complain about non-free
> software use on gcc.gnu.org, eh? Isn't there a free clone somewhere?
Not that I've found. Last I looked, nobody out there has been sufficientky
motivated to reimplement all of graphviz just because the code wasn't
free enough. After all, it's big, and at&t keeps adding to it.
Graphviz (well, the dot subprogram) is what Doxygen uses to generate its
inheritance and dependancy graphs. We've been over this before...
http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2002-02/msg00946.html
When Debian started throwing a fit over the requirement of graphviz to
create the libstdc++ graphs, I told them:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-gcc/2002/debian-gcc-200211/msg00164.html
If RMS wants to provide a public webdot server, then we don't need graphviz.
If RMS can point to a tool that does as good a job as graphviz, that bugzilla
knows how to work with, and that's Free Enough, then we don't need graphviz.
Phil
--
Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it.
- Brian W. Kernighan
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* Re: If somebody gets a chance
2003-12-01 7:04 ` Phil Edwards
@ 2003-12-01 10:45 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2003-12-01 14:48 ` Daniel Berlin
2003-12-01 14:54 ` Daniel Berlin
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From: Gerald Pfeifer @ 2003-12-01 10:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Phil Edwards; +Cc: Zack Weinberg, Daniel Berlin, overseers
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Phil Edwards wrote:
>> Let's not give RMS *another* reason to complain about non-free
>> software use on gcc.gnu.org, eh? Isn't there a free clone somewhere?
> If RMS wants to provide a public webdot server, then we don't need graphviz.
> If RMS can point to a tool that does as good a job as graphviz, that bugzilla
> knows how to work with, and that's Free Enough, then we don't need graphviz.
This is not the point (from the point of view of RMS and the FSF).
I second Zack here: please do not install/use a non-free package on
gcc.gnu.org or it will become yet a bit harder for me (and others) to
argue in favor of keeping the current setup on gcc.gnu.org the next time
this topic comes up -- and come up it will!
Gerald
--
Gerald Pfeifer (Jerry) gerald@pfeifer.com http://www.pfeifer.com/gerald/
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* Re: If somebody gets a chance
2003-12-01 10:45 ` Gerald Pfeifer
@ 2003-12-01 14:48 ` Daniel Berlin
2003-12-01 14:54 ` Daniel Berlin
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Daniel Berlin @ 2003-12-01 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Gerald Pfeifer; +Cc: Phil Edwards, overseers, Zack Weinberg
On Dec 1, 2003, at 5:45 AM, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Phil Edwards wrote:
>>> Let's not give RMS *another* reason to complain about non-free
>>> software use on gcc.gnu.org, eh? Isn't there a free clone somewhere?
>> If RMS wants to provide a public webdot server, then we don't need
>> graphviz.
>> If RMS can point to a tool that does as good a job as graphviz, that
>> bugzilla
>> knows how to work with, and that's Free Enough, then we don't need
>> graphviz.
>
> This is not the point (from the point of view of RMS and the FSF).
>
> I second Zack here: please do not install/use a non-free package on
> gcc.gnu.org or it will become yet a bit harder for me (and others) to
> argue in favor of keeping the current setup on gcc.gnu.org the next
> time
> this topic comes up -- and come up it will!
As you wish.
I'll simply keep it using my webdot server.
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* Re: If somebody gets a chance
2003-12-01 10:45 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2003-12-01 14:48 ` Daniel Berlin
@ 2003-12-01 14:54 ` Daniel Berlin
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Daniel Berlin @ 2003-12-01 14:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Gerald Pfeifer; +Cc: Phil Edwards, overseers, Zack Weinberg
On Dec 1, 2003, at 5:45 AM, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Phil Edwards wrote:
>>> Let's not give RMS *another* reason to complain about non-free
>>> software use on gcc.gnu.org, eh? Isn't there a free clone somewhere?
>> If RMS wants to provide a public webdot server, then we don't need
>> graphviz.
>> If RMS can point to a tool that does as good a job as graphviz, that
>> bugzilla
>> knows how to work with, and that's Free Enough, then we don't need
>> graphviz.
>
> This is not the point (from the point of view of RMS and the FSF).
>
> I second Zack here: please do not install/use a non-free package on
> gcc.gnu.org or it will become yet a bit harder for me (and others) to
> argue in favor of keeping the current setup on gcc.gnu.org the next
> time
> this topic comes up -- and come up it will!
>
Of course, the other option is for someone to make it use GD::Graph or
something.
It's not like the cute little dependency graphs are all *that* tricky.
Or i'll just disable the functionality FTM.
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