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From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com>
To: Martin Uecker <muecker@gwdg.de>
Cc: Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>, Ian Lance Taylor <iant@golang.org>,
	Paul Koning <paulkoning@comcast.net>,
	 Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
	Sandra Loosemore <sloosemore@baylibre.com>,
	 Mark Wielaard <mark@klomp.org>,
	overseers@sourceware.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org,
	 binutils@sourceware.org, gdb@sourceware.org,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: Sourceware mitigating and preventing the next xz-backdoor
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 10:46:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAH8yC8nBtPjLmih3hZbW2SgKTuCAK5qt1frQYU4-XSWepemxeA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c805cf36a25821223d5bda6c8bb84f7d536019de.camel@gwdg.de>

On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 10:33 AM Martin Uecker via Gdb
<gdb@sourceware.org> wrote:
>
> Am Mittwoch, dem 03.04.2024 um 16:00 +0200 schrieb Michael Matz:
> > [...]
> > (And, FWIW, testing for features isn't "complex".  And have you looked at
> > other build systems?  I have, and none of them are less complex, just
> > opaque in different ways from make+autotools).
>
> I ask a very specific question: To what extend is testing
> for features instead of semantic versions and/or supported
> standards still necessary?  This seems like a problematic approach
> that  may have been necessary decades ago, but it seems it may be
> time to move on.

I think it is still needed. As a first example, Musl does not define
preprocessor macros to identify itself. The project feels features
should be probed at build time with a tool like Autoconf. As a second
example, activating code paths, like AVX2 and AVX512, requires
ensuring the compiler actually supports the ISA. Building a program on
an older distribution with an older compiler could run afoul.

Jeff

  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-03 14:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-29 20:39 Security warning about xz library compromise Mark Wielaard
2024-04-01 15:06 ` Sourceware mitigating and preventing the next xz-backdoor Mark Wielaard
2024-04-02 19:54   ` Sandra Loosemore
2024-04-02 20:03     ` Paul Eggert
2024-04-02 20:20       ` Paul Koning
2024-04-02 20:28         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2024-04-03  6:26           ` Martin Uecker
2024-04-03 14:00             ` Michael Matz
2024-04-03 14:14               ` Paul Koning
2024-04-03 14:32               ` Martin Uecker
2024-04-03 14:46                 ` Jeffrey Walton [this message]
2024-04-03 16:02                 ` Michael Matz
2024-04-03 16:26                   ` Joel Sherrill
2024-04-03 16:32                   ` Martin Uecker
2024-04-03 16:51                 ` Andreas Schwab
2024-04-03 16:56                 ` Jonathan Wakely
2024-04-03 18:46               ` Jonathon Anderson
2024-04-03 19:01                 ` Martin Uecker
2024-04-05 21:15                   ` Andrew Sutton
2024-04-06 13:00                     ` Richard Biener
2024-04-06 15:59                       ` Martin Uecker
2024-04-04 13:59                 ` Michael Matz
2024-04-09 16:44                   ` anderson.jonathonm
2024-04-09 17:57                     ` Andreas Schwab
2024-04-09 19:59                       ` Jonathon Anderson
2024-04-09 20:11                         ` Paul Koning
2024-04-09 21:40                           ` Jeffrey Walton
2024-04-09 21:50                             ` Paul Eggert
2024-04-09 21:58                               ` Sam James
2024-04-09 22:15                                 ` Paul Eggert
2024-04-09 22:22                                   ` Sam James
2024-04-09 22:53                                     ` Paul Eggert
2024-04-09 22:03                               ` Jonathon Anderson
2024-04-09 22:10                                 ` Sam James
2024-04-09 21:54                           ` Jonathon Anderson
2024-04-09 22:00                             ` Sam James
2024-04-10 14:09                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2024-04-10 18:47                               ` Jonathon Anderson
2024-04-10 19:00                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2024-04-10 10:26                       ` Claudio Bantaloukas
2024-04-02 22:08     ` Guinevere Larsen
2024-04-02 22:21       ` Guinevere Larsen
2024-04-02 22:50       ` Jeffrey Walton
2024-04-02 23:20       ` Mark Wielaard
2024-04-02 23:34       ` Paul Koning
2024-04-03  0:37         ` Jeffrey Walton
2024-04-03  8:08       ` Florian Weimer
2024-04-03 13:53         ` Joel Sherrill
2024-04-04 10:25           ` Mark Wielaard
2024-04-10 16:30           ` Alejandro Colomar
2024-04-21 15:30             ` Mark Wielaard
2024-04-21 20:40               ` Alejandro Colomar
2024-04-21 20:52                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2024-04-30 11:28                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2024-04-03 14:04         ` Tom Tromey
2024-04-03 14:42           ` Jeff Law
2024-04-04 10:48             ` Mark Wielaard

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