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From: Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>
To: Jan Kratochvil <jan.kratochvil@redhat.com>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, archer@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: Q: mutlithreaded tracees && clone/exit
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:57:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100719225704.E957A40840@magilla.sf.frob.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Jan Kratochvil's message of  Monday, 19 July 2010 18:01:27 +0200 <20100719160127.GA13331@host1.dyn.jankratochvil.net>

> This issue does not work well even with linux-nat.c (local GDB), in the
> current development stage of ugdb I believe we do not have to solve it before
> linux-nat.c gets fixed first:
> 	GDB hangs with simple multi-threaded program on linux
> 	http://sourceware.org/ml/gdb/2010-07/msg00045.html

On the contrary, this is something where not being ptrace makes an
important difference.  The ptrace behavior that makes this difficult to
deal with in linux-nat.c is not at all an inherent issue with the scenario,
it's just a quirk of the ptrace interface.  The fact that linux-nat.c
doesn't handle it well means that it's not a big priority to handle it
better than that.  But it's certainly not the case that linux-nat.c
improving its support would have anything to do with how ugdb would do it.

> GDB will sooner or later use the 'T' packet (remote_thread_alive) to reclaim
> dead threads.

For this to be correct, it must be using multiprocess mode so that its
packet says Tn.m instead of just Tm.  In the latter case, the TID m may
have been reused for an unrelated new thread.

> IMO yes, we should first get ugdb a bit on-par with linux-nat.c, don't we?

Sure.  But we should carefully note all the ways in which that standard of
comparison is less than ideal.

> > gdbserver asks gdb what is the symbol's address (say, _thread_db_list_t_next)
> > via 'qSymbol'.
> 
> i see this can be a problem for ugdb.  Guessing we will need to change GDB to
> support new variant of proc-service.c working over the GDB protocol wire.

proc-service.c is already written in terms of the gdb target backend.
I had presumed that all this thread_db layer of concern would happen
above the LWP layer, and the remote protocol supplies the LWP layer.


Thanks,
Roland

  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-19 22:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-16 20:54 Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-16 21:40 ` Roland McGrath
2010-07-18 17:51   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-18 18:04     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-18 20:22     ` Roland McGrath
2010-07-19 13:44 ` BUG: add_thread_silent()->switch_to_thread(minus_one_ptid) is wrong Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-19 15:36   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-19 16:01 ` Q: mutlithreaded tracees && clone/exit Jan Kratochvil
2010-07-19 22:57   ` Roland McGrath [this message]
2010-07-20 13:18   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-20 14:04     ` BUG? gdb, non-stop && c -a Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-20 14:12       ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-07-20 14:49         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-20 15:08           ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-07-20 15:28             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-20 19:43         ` Roland McGrath
2010-07-21  7:59           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-21  8:10             ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-07-21 11:12               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-20 14:21     ` Q: mutlithreaded tracees && clone/exit Jan Kratochvil
2010-07-20 15:09       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-20 19:41     ` Roland McGrath
2010-07-21  8:32       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-20 14:43 ` Q: who maintains the STOPPED/RUNNING state? Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]   ` <y0mk4ophmvn.fsf@fche.csb>
2010-07-21 10:20     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-21 10:51       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-21 17:06 ` Q: multiple inferiors, all-stop && vCont Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-21 20:42   ` Roland McGrath
2010-07-23 17:33     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-26 14:30       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-26 16:06         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-28 18:19         ` gdbstub initial code, another approach Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-29 21:38           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-07-30 13:00             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-30 13:16               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-07-30 15:01                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-30 13:25               ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-07-30 14:44                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-30 15:20                   ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-08-02 12:54                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-08-03 13:55                       ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-07-30 17:59                 ` Tom Tromey
2010-08-02 18:25           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-08-02 23:54           ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-08-03 12:27             ` Q: %Stop && gdb crash Oleg Nesterov
2010-08-03 13:17               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-08-03 19:57                 ` Kevin Buettner
2010-08-04 19:42                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-08-04 23:32                     ` Kevin Buettner
2010-08-05 18:24                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-08-03 13:36               ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-08-03 15:09                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-08-03 12:39         ` Q: multiple inferiors, all-stop && vCont Jan Kratochvil
2010-08-03 14:32           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-08-03 15:55             ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-08-03 16:56               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-08-03 18:37                 ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-08-18 17:07           ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-08-18 19:22             ` Roland McGrath

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