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From: "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
	utrace-devel@redhat.com, archer@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: gdbstub initial code, another approach
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:16:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100730131627.GA2793@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100730125755.GA6438@redhat.com>

Hi, Oleg -


> [...]
> But I do not see how in-kernel gdbstub can help even to prototype
> things. In my opinion it only complicates this. If nothing else,
> it is not easy to test even the simple things. Just imagine the
> simple tests like ptrace-tests rewritten to work via remote
> protocol.

(One could use a new user-space library.  There is not that much
complexity difference between a write/read syscall pair and a complex
ioctl.)


> IIUK, the main goal is prototype the new generic API [...]  It would
> be (I think) much easier to teach the real gdbserver and/or gdb to
> use this new API if we already had the userspace aplication which
> actually works using this API.

To an extent, it's all a SMOP.  But the key is the level of
abstraction provided by any new API.  ptrace(2) is low, the
gdb-wire-protocol is high, and both are pretty well established.  A
brand new API aiming into some new middle point will be harder to
validate.


> OTOH, with this split we still have the same advantage: we can
> use gdb to prove that this code can do something useful.

Not if you run into the exact same multithreading protocol glitches,
but this time with three separate interacting bodies of code instead
of two.


- FChE

  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-30 13:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-16 20:54 Q: mutlithreaded tracees && clone/exit Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-16 21:40 ` Roland McGrath
2010-07-18 17:51   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-18 18:04     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-18 20:22     ` Roland McGrath
2010-07-19 13:44 ` BUG: add_thread_silent()->switch_to_thread(minus_one_ptid) is wrong Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-19 15:36   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-19 16:01 ` Q: mutlithreaded tracees && clone/exit Jan Kratochvil
2010-07-19 22:57   ` Roland McGrath
2010-07-20 13:18   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-20 14:04     ` BUG? gdb, non-stop && c -a Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-20 14:12       ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-07-20 14:49         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-20 15:08           ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-07-20 15:28             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-20 19:43         ` Roland McGrath
2010-07-21  7:59           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-21  8:10             ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-07-21 11:12               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-20 14:21     ` Q: mutlithreaded tracees && clone/exit Jan Kratochvil
2010-07-20 15:09       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-20 19:41     ` Roland McGrath
2010-07-21  8:32       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-20 14:43 ` Q: who maintains the STOPPED/RUNNING state? Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]   ` <y0mk4ophmvn.fsf@fche.csb>
2010-07-21 10:20     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-21 10:51       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-21 17:06 ` Q: multiple inferiors, all-stop && vCont Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-21 20:42   ` Roland McGrath
2010-07-23 17:33     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-26 14:30       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-26 16:06         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-28 18:19         ` gdbstub initial code, another approach Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-29 21:38           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-07-30 13:00             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-30 13:16               ` Frank Ch. Eigler [this message]
2010-07-30 15:01                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-30 13:25               ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-07-30 14:44                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-30 15:20                   ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-08-02 12:54                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-08-03 13:55                       ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-07-30 17:59                 ` Tom Tromey
2010-08-02 18:25           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-08-02 23:54           ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-08-03 12:27             ` Q: %Stop && gdb crash Oleg Nesterov
2010-08-03 13:17               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-08-03 19:57                 ` Kevin Buettner
2010-08-04 19:42                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-08-04 23:32                     ` Kevin Buettner
2010-08-05 18:24                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-08-03 13:36               ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-08-03 15:09                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-08-03 12:39         ` Q: multiple inferiors, all-stop && vCont Jan Kratochvil
2010-08-03 14:32           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-08-03 15:55             ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-08-03 16:56               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-08-03 18:37                 ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-08-18 17:07           ` Jan Kratochvil
2010-08-18 19:22             ` Roland McGrath

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