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* Re: Toolchaim for powerpc e500v2 with glibc
       [not found] <4EE86F85.3030801@trego.co.il>
@ 2011-12-14 10:07 ` Titus von Boxberg
  2011-12-14 10:18   ` binutils-2.22-gold for powerpc / was " Titus von Boxberg
       [not found]   ` <4EE87AE0.4060407@trego.co.il>
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Titus von Boxberg @ 2011-12-14 10:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Raviv; +Cc: crossgcc

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Am 14.12.2011 um 10:42 schrieb Raviv:

> Hello Titus,
> I aplogize for contacting you directly and not through the mailing list.
> I saw an old post of yours : http://www.cygwin.com/ml/crossgcc/2011-02/msg00002.html where you describe how to create a toolchain for e500v2 with SPE support and glibc, i followed your instructions, but still having trouble to create a good error free configuration. I will appreciate if you can send me a sample of the working configuration so that i can build the tools.
> Thank you in advance,
Raviv,

why not cc the mailing list?

I gave up on glibc. I can't remember if I even got a configuration that built ok.
The workarounds were too weird.
eglibc builds of of the box, and I did not recognize drawbacks.

Just now I have built a tool chain for eglibc 2_13.

Attached is a config sample.
I configured a custom kernel to have one kernel for all toolchains I built.
That should not be necessary.

Regards
Titus

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#
# Automatically generated make config: don't edit
# crosstool-NG hg+-5590d3c19c2f Configuration
# Mon Dec  5 23:58:47 2011
#
CT_CONFIGURE_has_xzutils=y
CT_CONFIGURE_has_cvs=y
CT_CONFIGURE_has_svn=y
CT_MODULES=y

#
# Paths and misc options
#

#
# crosstool-NG behavior
#
# CT_OBSOLETE is not set
CT_EXPERIMENTAL=y
# CT_DEBUG_CT is not set

#
# Paths
#
CT_LOCAL_TARBALLS_DIR="/home/titus/archiv/entwicklung/gcc+gdb"
CT_SAVE_TARBALLS=y
CT_WORK_DIR="${CT_TOP_DIR}/targets"
CT_PREFIX_DIR="/opt/x-tools/${CT_TARGET}"
CT_INSTALL_DIR="${CT_PREFIX_DIR}"
CT_RM_RF_PREFIX_DIR=y
CT_REMOVE_DOCS=y
# CT_INSTALL_DIR_RO is not set
CT_STRIP_ALL_TOOLCHAIN_EXECUTABLES=y

#
# Downloading
#
# CT_FORBID_DOWNLOAD is not set
# CT_FORCE_DOWNLOAD is not set
CT_CONNECT_TIMEOUT=10
# CT_ONLY_DOWNLOAD is not set
# CT_USE_MIRROR is not set

#
# Extracting
#
# CT_FORCE_EXTRACT is not set
CT_OVERIDE_CONFIG_GUESS_SUB=y
# CT_ONLY_EXTRACT is not set
CT_PATCH_BUNDLED=y
# CT_PATCH_LOCAL is not set
# CT_PATCH_BUNDLED_LOCAL is not set
# CT_PATCH_LOCAL_BUNDLED is not set
# CT_PATCH_BUNDLED_FALLBACK_LOCAL is not set
# CT_PATCH_LOCAL_FALLBACK_BUNDLED is not set
# CT_PATCH_NONE is not set
CT_PATCH_ORDER="bundled"

#
# Build behavior
#
CT_PARALLEL_JOBS=4
CT_LOAD=0
CT_USE_PIPES=y
CT_EXTRA_FLAGS_FOR_HOST=""
# CT_CONFIG_SHELL_SH is not set
# CT_CONFIG_SHELL_ASH is not set
CT_CONFIG_SHELL_BASH=y
# CT_CONFIG_SHELL_CUSTOM is not set
CT_CONFIG_SHELL="${bash}"

#
# Logging
#
# CT_LOG_ERROR is not set
# CT_LOG_WARN is not set
# CT_LOG_INFO is not set
CT_LOG_EXTRA=y
# CT_LOG_ALL is not set
# CT_LOG_DEBUG is not set
CT_LOG_LEVEL_MAX="EXTRA"
# CT_LOG_SEE_TOOLS_WARN is not set
CT_LOG_PROGRESS_BAR=y
CT_LOG_TO_FILE=y
# CT_LOG_FILE_COMPRESS is not set

#
# Target options
#
CT_ARCH="powerpc"
CT_ARCH_SUPPORTS_32=y
CT_ARCH_SUPPORTS_64=y
CT_ARCH_SUPPORT_ABI=y
CT_ARCH_SUPPORT_CPU=y
CT_ARCH_SUPPORT_TUNE=y
CT_ARCH_DEFAULT_32=y
CT_ARCH_ABI=""
CT_ARCH_CPU="8548"
CT_ARCH_TUNE="8548"
CT_ARCH_32=y
# CT_ARCH_64 is not set
CT_ARCH_BITNESS=32
CT_ARCH_FLOAT_HW=y
# CT_ARCH_FLOAT_SW is not set
CT_TARGET_CFLAGS="-O2 -mfloat-gprs=double -Wa,-me500x2"
CT_TARGET_LDFLAGS=""
# CT_ARCH_alpha is not set
# CT_ARCH_arm is not set
# CT_ARCH_avr32 is not set
# CT_ARCH_blackfin is not set
# CT_ARCH_m68k is not set
# CT_ARCH_mips is not set
CT_ARCH_powerpc=y
# CT_ARCH_s390 is not set
# CT_ARCH_sh is not set
# CT_ARCH_sparc is not set
# CT_ARCH_x86 is not set
CT_ARCH_alpha_AVAILABLE=y
CT_ARCH_arm_AVAILABLE=y
CT_ARCH_avr32_AVAILABLE=y
CT_ARCH_blackfin_AVAILABLE=y
CT_ARCH_m68k_AVAILABLE=y
CT_ARCH_mips_AVAILABLE=y
CT_ARCH_powerpc_AVAILABLE=y
CT_ARCH_s390_AVAILABLE=y
CT_ARCH_sh_AVAILABLE=y
CT_ARCH_sparc_AVAILABLE=y
CT_ARCH_x86_AVAILABLE=y

#
# Generic target options
#
CT_ARCH_USE_MMU=y

#
# Target optimisations
#
CT_ARCH_FLOAT="hard"

#
# powerpc other options
#
CT_ARCH_powerpc_ABI="spe"
# CT_ARCH_powerpc_ABI_DEFAULT is not set
CT_ARCH_powerpc_ABI_SPE=y

#
# Toolchain options
#

#
# General toolchain options
#
CT_FORCE_SYSROOT=y
CT_USE_SYSROOT=y
CT_SYSROOT_NAME="sysroot"
CT_SYSROOT_DIR_PREFIX=""
# CT_STATIC_TOOLCHAIN is not set
CT_TOOLCHAIN_PKGVERSION="AlsterAero-111205"
CT_TOOLCHAIN_BUGURL=""

#
# Tuple completion and aliasing
#
CT_TARGET_VENDOR="e500v2"
CT_TARGET_ALIAS_SED_EXPR=""
CT_TARGET_ALIAS=""

#
# Toolchain type
#
# CT_NATIVE is not set
CT_CROSS=y
# CT_CROSS_NATIVE is not set
# CT_CANADIAN is not set
CT_TOOLCHAIN_TYPE="cross"

#
# Build system
#
CT_BUILD=""
CT_BUILD_PREFIX=""
CT_BUILD_SUFFIX=""

#
# Misc options
#
# CT_TOOLCHAIN_ENABLE_NLS is not set

#
# Operating System
#
CT_KERNEL_SUPPORTS_SHARED_LIBS=y
CT_KERNEL="linux"
CT_KERNEL_VERSION="custom"
# CT_KERNEL_bare_metal is not set
CT_KERNEL_linux=y
CT_KERNEL_bare_metal_AVAILABLE=y
CT_KERNEL_linux_AVAILABLE=y
# CT_KERNEL_V_3_1_1 is not set
# CT_KERNEL_V_3_1 is not set
# CT_KERNEL_V_3_0_9 is not set
# CT_KERNEL_V_2_6_39_4 is not set
# CT_KERNEL_V_2_6_38_8 is not set
# CT_KERNEL_V_2_6_37_6 is not set
# CT_KERNEL_V_2_6_36_4 is not set
# CT_KERNEL_V_2_6_33_20 is not set
# CT_KERNEL_V_2_6_32_48 is not set
# CT_KERNEL_V_2_6_31_14 is not set
# CT_KERNEL_V_2_6_27_57 is not set
CT_KERNEL_LINUX_CUSTOM=y
CT_KERNEL_LINUX_CUSTOM_LOCATION="/home/titus/archiv/entwicklung/gcc+gdb/linux-2.6.33.2.tar.bz2"
CT_KERNEL_mingw32_AVAILABLE=y

#
# Common kernel options
#
CT_SHARED_LIBS=y

#
# linux other options
#
CT_KERNEL_LINUX_VERBOSITY_0=y
# CT_KERNEL_LINUX_VERBOSITY_1 is not set
# CT_KERNEL_LINUX_VERBOSITY_2 is not set
CT_KERNEL_LINUX_VERBOSE_LEVEL=0
CT_KERNEL_LINUX_INSTALL_CHECK=y

#
# Binary utilities
#
CT_ARCH_BINFMT_ELF=y

#
# GNU binutils
#
CT_BINUTILS_V_2_22=y
# CT_BINUTILS_V_2_21_53 is not set
# CT_BINUTILS_V_2_21_1a is not set
# CT_BINUTILS_V_2_20_1a is not set
# CT_BINUTILS_V_2_19_1a is not set
# CT_BINUTILS_V_2_18a is not set
CT_BINUTILS_VERSION="2.22"
CT_BINUTILS_2_22_or_later=y
CT_BINUTILS_2_21_or_later=y
CT_BINUTILS_2_20_or_later=y
CT_BINUTILS_2_19_or_later=y
CT_BINUTILS_2_18_or_later=y
CT_BINUTILS_HAS_GOLD=y
CT_BINUTILS_GOLD_SUPPORTS_ARCH=y
CT_BINUTILS_HAS_PLUGINS=y
CT_BINUTILS_HAS_PKGVERSION_BUGURL=y
CT_BINUTILS_FORCE_LD_BFD=y
# CT_BINUTILS_LINKER_LD is not set
CT_BINUTILS_LINKER_LD_GOLD=y
# CT_BINUTILS_LINKER_GOLD_LD is not set
CT_BINUTILS_GOLD_INSTALLED=y
CT_BINUTILS_GOLD_THREADS=y
CT_BINUTILS_LINKER_BOTH=y
CT_BINUTILS_LINKERS_LIST="ld,gold"
CT_BINUTILS_LD_WRAPPER=y
CT_BINUTILS_LINKER_DEFAULT="bfd"
CT_BINUTILS_PLUGINS=y
CT_BINUTILS_EXTRA_CONFIG_ARRAY=""
# CT_BINUTILS_FOR_TARGET is not set

#
# C compiler
#
CT_CC="gcc"
CT_CC_VERSION="4.6.2"
CT_CC_gcc=y
# CT_CC_GCC_SHOW_LINARO is not set
CT_CC_V_4_6_2=y
# CT_CC_V_4_6_1 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_6_0 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_5_3 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_5_2 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_5_1 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_5_0 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_4_6 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_4_5 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_4_4 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_4_3 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_4_2 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_4_1 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_4_0 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_3_6 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_3_5 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_3_4 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_3_3 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_3_2 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_3_1 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_2_4 is not set
# CT_CC_V_4_2_2 is not set
CT_CC_GCC_4_2_or_later=y
CT_CC_GCC_4_3_or_later=y
CT_CC_GCC_4_4_or_later=y
CT_CC_GCC_4_5_or_later=y
CT_CC_GCC_4_6=y
CT_CC_GCC_4_6_or_later=y
CT_CC_GCC_HAS_GRAPHITE=y
CT_CC_GCC_HAS_LTO=y
CT_CC_GCC_HAS_PKGVERSION_BUGURL=y
CT_CC_GCC_HAS_BUILD_ID=y
CT_CC_GCC_ENABLE_PLUGINS=y
CT_CC_GCC_GOLD=y
CT_CC_GCC_USE_GMP_MPFR=y
CT_CC_GCC_USE_PPL_CLOOG=y
CT_CC_GCC_USE_MPC=y
# CT_CC_LANG_FORTRAN is not set
CT_CC_SUPPORT_CXX=y
CT_CC_SUPPORT_FORTRAN=y
CT_CC_SUPPORT_JAVA=y
CT_CC_SUPPORT_ADA=y
CT_CC_SUPPORT_OBJC=y
CT_CC_SUPPORT_OBJCXX=y

#
# Additional supported languages:
#
CT_CC_LANG_CXX=y
# CT_CC_LANG_JAVA is not set
# CT_CC_LANG_ADA is not set
# CT_CC_LANG_OBJC is not set
# CT_CC_LANG_OBJCXX is not set
CT_CC_LANG_OTHERS=""

#
# gcc other options
#
CT_CC_ENABLE_CXX_FLAGS=""
CT_CC_CORE_EXTRA_CONFIG_ARRAY=""
CT_CC_EXTRA_CONFIG_ARRAY=""
# CT_CC_STATIC_LIBSTDCXX is not set

#
# Optimisation features
#
CT_CC_GCC_USE_GRAPHITE=y
CT_CC_GCC_USE_LTO=y

#
# Settings for libraries running on target
#
# CT_CC_GCC_ENABLE_TARGET_OPTSPACE is not set
# CT_CC_GCC_LIBMUDFLAP is not set
# CT_CC_GCC_LIBGOMP is not set
# CT_CC_GCC_LIBSSP is not set

#
# Misc. obscure options.
#
CT_CC_CXA_ATEXIT=y
# CT_CC_GCC_DISABLE_PCH is not set
# CT_CC_GCC_SJLJ_EXCEPTIONS is not set
CT_CC_GCC_LDBL_128=m
# CT_CC_GCC_BUILD_ID is not set

#
# C-library
#
CT_LIBC="eglibc"
CT_LIBC_VERSION="2_13"
CT_LIBC_eglibc=y
# CT_LIBC_glibc is not set
# CT_LIBC_uClibc is not set
CT_LIBC_eglibc_AVAILABLE=y
# CT_LIBC_EGLIBC_V_2_14 is not set
CT_LIBC_EGLIBC_V_2_13=y
# CT_LIBC_EGLIBC_V_2_12 is not set
# CT_LIBC_EGLIBC_V_2_11 is not set
# CT_LIBC_EGLIBC_V_2_10 is not set
# CT_LIBC_EGLIBC_V_2_9 is not set
# CT_LIBC_EGLIBC_V_TRUNK is not set
CT_LIBC_EGLIBC_2_13_or_later=y
CT_LIBC_EGLIBC_2_12_or_later=y
CT_LIBC_EGLIBC_2_11_or_later=y
CT_LIBC_EGLIBC_2_10_or_later=y
CT_LIBC_EGLIBC_2_9_or_later=y
CT_LIBC_EGLIBC_HAS_PKGVERSION_BUGURL=y
CT_EGLIBC_REVISION="HEAD"
# CT_EGLIBC_HTTP is not set
# CT_EGLIBC_CHECKOUT is not set
# CT_EGLIBC_OPT_SIZE is not set
# CT_EGLIBC_CUSTOM_CONFIG is not set
CT_LIBC_glibc_AVAILABLE=y
CT_LIBC_mingw_AVAILABLE=y
CT_LIBC_newlib_AVAILABLE=y
CT_LIBC_none_AVAILABLE=y
CT_LIBC_uClibc_AVAILABLE=y
CT_LIBC_SUPPORT_THREADS_ANY=y
CT_LIBC_SUPPORT_NPTL=y
CT_LIBC_SUPPORT_LINUXTHREADS=y
CT_THREADS="nptl"

#
# Common C library options
#
CT_THREADS_NPTL=y
# CT_THREADS_LINUXTHREADS is not set
CT_LIBC_XLDD=y

#
# eglibc other options
#
CT_LIBC_glibc_familly=y
CT_LIBC_GLIBC_EXTRA_CONFIG_ARRAY=""
CT_LIBC_GLIBC_CONFIGPARMS=""
CT_LIBC_GLIBC_EXTRA_CFLAGS="-O2"
CT_LIBC_EXTRA_CC_ARGS=""
# CT_LIBC_ENABLE_FORTIFIED_BUILD is not set
# CT_LIBC_DISABLE_VERSIONING is not set
CT_LIBC_OLDEST_ABI=""
CT_LIBC_GLIBC_FORCE_UNWIND=y
CT_LIBC_GLIBC_USE_PORTS=y
CT_LIBC_ADDONS_LIST=""

#
# WARNING !!!                                            
#

#
#   For glibc >= 2.8, it can happen that the tarballs    
#

#
#   for the addons are not available for download.       
#

#
#   If that happens, bad luck... Try a previous version  
#

#
#   or try again later... :-(                            
#
# CT_LIBC_LOCALES is not set
# CT_LIBC_GLIBC_KERNEL_VERSION_NONE is not set
# CT_LIBC_GLIBC_KERNEL_VERSION_AS_HEADERS is not set
CT_LIBC_GLIBC_KERNEL_VERSION_CHOSEN=y
CT_LIBC_GLIBC_MIN_KERNEL_VERSION="2.6.16"
CT_LIBC_GLIBC_MIN_KERNEL="2.6.16"

#
# Debug facilities
#
# CT_DEBUG_dmalloc is not set
CT_DEBUG_duma=y
CT_DUMA_A=y
CT_DUMA_SO=y
CT_DUMA_V_2_5_15=y
CT_DUMA_VERSION="2_5_15"
CT_DEBUG_gdb=y
CT_GDB_CROSS=y
# CT_GDB_CROSS_STATIC is not set
# CT_GDB_CROSS_PYTHON is not set
CT_GDB_CROSS_EXTRA_CONFIG_ARRAY=""
# CT_GDB_NATIVE is not set
CT_GDB_GDBSERVER=y
# CT_GDB_GDBSERVER_STATIC is not set

#
# gdb version
#
# CT_DEBUG_GDB_SHOW_LINARO is not set
CT_GDB_V_7_3a=y
# CT_GDB_V_7_2a is not set
# CT_GDB_V_7_1a is not set
# CT_GDB_V_7_0_1a is not set
# CT_GDB_V_7_0a is not set
# CT_GDB_V_6_8a is not set
CT_GDB_7_0_or_later=y
CT_GDB_HAS_PKGVERSION_BUGURL=y
CT_GDB_INSTALL_GDBINIT=y
CT_GDB_VERSION="7.3a"
# CT_DEBUG_ltrace is not set
CT_DEBUG_strace=y
CT_STRACE_V_4_6=y
# CT_STRACE_V_4_5_20 is not set
# CT_STRACE_V_4_5_19 is not set
# CT_STRACE_V_4_5_18 is not set
CT_STRACE_VERSION="4.6"

#
# Companion libraries
#
CT_COMPLIBS_NEEDED=y
CT_GMP_NEEDED=y
CT_MPFR_NEEDED=y
CT_PPL_NEEDED=y
CT_CLOOG_NEEDED=y
CT_MPC_NEEDED=y
CT_COMPLIBS=y
CT_GMP=y
CT_MPFR=y
CT_PPL=y
CT_CLOOG=y
CT_MPC=y
# CT_GMP_V_5_0_2 is not set
# CT_GMP_V_5_0_1 is not set
CT_GMP_V_4_3_2=y
# CT_GMP_V_4_3_1 is not set
# CT_GMP_V_4_3_0 is not set
CT_GMP_VERSION="4.3.2"
# CT_MPFR_V_3_1_0 is not set
# CT_MPFR_V_3_0_1 is not set
CT_MPFR_V_3_0_0=y
# CT_MPFR_V_2_4_2 is not set
# CT_MPFR_V_2_4_1 is not set
# CT_MPFR_V_2_4_0 is not set
CT_MPFR_VERSION="3.0.0"
CT_PPL_V_0_11_2=y
# CT_PPL_V_0_11_1 is not set
# CT_PPL_V_0_11 is not set
# CT_PPL_V_0_10_2 is not set
CT_PPL_VERSION="0.11.2"
CT_PPL_0_11=y
CT_PPL_NEEDS_LIBPWL=y
# CT_CLOOG_V_0_15_11 is not set
CT_CLOOG_V_0_15_10=y
# CT_CLOOG_V_0_15_9 is not set
# CT_CLOOG_V_0_15_8 is not set
# CT_CLOOG_V_0_15_7 is not set
# CT_CLOOG_V_0_15_6 is not set
CT_CLOOG_VERSION="0.15.10"
CT_CLOOG_0_15_1x=y
CT_CLOOG_NEEDS_AUTORECONF=y
# CT_MPC_V_0_9 is not set
CT_MPC_V_0_8_2=y
# CT_MPC_V_0_8_1 is not set
# CT_MPC_V_0_7 is not set
CT_MPC_VERSION="0.8.2"

#
# Companion libraries common options
#
# CT_COMPLIBS_CHECK is not set

#
# Companion tools
#

#
# READ HELP before you say 'Y' below !!!
#
# CT_COMP_TOOLS is not set

#
# Test suite
#
# CT_TEST_SUITE_GCC is not set

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* binutils-2.22-gold for powerpc / was Re: Toolchaim for powerpc e500v2 with glibc
  2011-12-14 10:07 ` Toolchaim for powerpc e500v2 with glibc Titus von Boxberg
@ 2011-12-14 10:18   ` Titus von Boxberg
       [not found]   ` <4EE87AE0.4060407@trego.co.il>
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Titus von Boxberg @ 2011-12-14 10:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: crossgcc

Am 14.12.2011 um 11:06 schrieb Titus von Boxberg:
> Just now I have built a tool chain for eglibc 2_13.
> 
> Attached is a config sample.
Yann, all,

just in case that someone else should be tempted:
I gave gold of binutils 2.22 a try for powerpc (in the sample of the previous mail).
It still fails: the resulting executables die with a segmentation fault immediately.

http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=6767
(I didn't check if I experienced *exactly* that problem)

Not enabling gold for ppc is still the right thing for ct-ng ;-)

Regards
Titus


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* Re: Toolchaim for powerpc e500v2 with glibc
       [not found]   ` <4EE87AE0.4060407@trego.co.il>
@ 2011-12-14 11:04     ` Titus von Boxberg
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Titus von Boxberg @ 2011-12-14 11:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Raviv; +Cc: crossgcc

Am 14.12.2011 um 11:30 schrieb Raviv:

> Thanks Titus,
> 
> My problem is that i need to build this tool-chain under Cygwin, for some reason i can't get it to build with eglibc under Cygwin.
> Do you have any experience with Cygwin configuration?
Sorry, none.
You might want to give canadian cross a try.
But I don't know anything about that, either.

However, I'd rather try to fix the eglibc cygwin build problems than
fiddle around with glibc's floating point config.
I guess that with the former problem more people on this list
might be able to help you than with the latter.

Regards
Titus


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