From: Andy Koppe <andy.koppe@gmail.com>
To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: 256x256 px icons
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 05:50:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHWeT-YvKf6BJWfpsbhGpb9c-vA5DoarhuwhEx_EyO9rhJ4enA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E307EEA.7040404@etr-usa.com>
On 27 July 2011 22:11, Warren Young wrote:
> On 7/27/2011 2:04 PM, Andy Koppe wrote:
>>
>> - The 16x16 has white dots in the corners.
>
> That was a feature. But you no like it, I make go 'way.
Thanks.
>> - There are black edges around the icons. Those need to be transparent.
>
> Why?
>
> I purposely redrew the edges in the smaller icons for contrast and clarity.
> (Among other things.) Because the Konsole icon edges are black, I made the
> semitransparent pixels you get from simple downsampling pure black. If all
> you want is the blurry mess you get from a direct downsample, there's no
> point in having the smaller icons at all.
>
> Maybe a dark gray would make you happier? Something that approximates the
> appearance of a thin black line blending into the background the icon is
> being matted on, without trying to make use of alpha blending?
>
> My old skool heritage is showing. I've been trained not to use alpha
> blending a 32 px and below. When I was a boy, all we had was 8 bpp with one
> color reserved for yes/no transparency, AND WE LIKED IT.
>
> Is this outmoded? Will XP do the right thing with RGBA for 16 px icons? Is
> that a good idea regardless, or is old skool the only skool?
I don't know about that. What I do know is that the Konsole icon looks
fine to me, including at 16px, and that I haven't had any complaints
about it.
To me, the black/grey border just looked like something went wrong
with transparency during the conversion. Also, at 16px, the left and
right sides of the terminal screen's frame have actually gone.
>> - Contrast and saturation are rather low. I think it would be better
>> to overlay the Cygwin symbol on top of the terminal rather than
>> blending them.
>
> Here it is:
>
> http://etr-usa.com/cygwin/mintty-icon/no-text.ico
That looks a lot better, thanks. Nice work removing the prompt. Did
you go back to the original SVG to do that?
> It also has the gray edges on the smaller icons instead of black, and
> transparent corners in the 16x16.
>
> I had to remove the text, which makes the result not as clearly a terminal.
> At 256 and arguably at 48 px, you can figure out that it might be a
> terminal, especially if you've seen the icon in its previous incarnation.
> At 32 px and below, I challenge anyone to honestly tell me that there is
> any sense of "terminal" left in this version.
Fair point.
> One could make an argument for going back to the plain old Konsole icon.
> Maybe one icon cannot serve two masters.
Just to be clear: I'd be happy with the modernized Cygwin icon too. I
still prefer both that and the Konsole icon over the combined one
(even ignoring the issue with the non-transparent border).
Thanks again for putting in this effort to have something tangible to
compare with.
Andy
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Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-07-25 9:12 SETUP: default to mintty Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-25 11:49 ` Andy Koppe
2011-07-25 12:24 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-25 20:18 ` Andy Koppe
2011-07-25 23:42 ` Chris Sutcliffe
2011-07-26 0:10 ` Charles Wilson
2011-07-26 0:20 ` Charles Wilson
2011-07-26 11:02 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-26 12:55 ` 256x256 px icons Warren Young
2011-07-27 7:42 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-27 17:31 ` Warren Young
2011-07-27 20:04 ` Andy Koppe
2011-07-27 21:11 ` Warren Young
2011-07-28 5:50 ` Andy Koppe [this message]
2011-07-28 9:09 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-28 10:27 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-28 10:54 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-29 9:15 ` Warren Young
2011-07-29 9:43 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-29 11:26 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-29 14:12 ` Warren Young
2011-07-29 15:22 ` Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E]
2011-07-29 15:32 ` Warren Young
2011-07-29 16:22 ` Warren Young
2011-07-30 18:34 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-29 20:29 ` Andy Koppe
2011-07-30 18:37 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-30 20:22 ` Andy Koppe
2011-07-31 20:21 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-01 8:08 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-01 20:05 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-02 14:50 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-02 15:25 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-02 15:45 ` Charles Wilson
2011-08-02 16:07 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-03 5:55 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-03 7:00 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-04 5:50 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-04 8:39 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-04 13:19 ` Charles Wilson
2011-08-04 14:30 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-04 17:24 ` Charles Wilson
2011-08-04 18:17 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-05 17:47 ` Warren Young
2011-08-05 15:06 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-05 15:47 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-05 15:57 ` Charles Wilson
2011-08-05 20:23 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-05 16:13 ` Warren Young
2011-08-05 17:51 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-05 18:41 ` Warren Young
2011-08-05 17:35 ` Warren Young
2011-08-05 19:08 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-05 20:24 ` Warren Young
2011-08-06 8:29 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-06 10:47 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-06 17:44 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-06 18:28 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-07 10:08 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-08 16:44 ` Warren Young
2011-08-08 17:10 ` Warren Young
2011-08-08 20:40 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-08 16:43 ` Warren Young
2011-08-08 20:44 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-08 22:28 ` Warren Young
2011-08-09 7:26 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-10 8:48 ` Warren Young
2011-08-10 10:08 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-10 10:24 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-10 14:02 ` Warren Young
2011-08-11 10:39 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-11 21:06 ` Warren Young
2011-08-12 7:00 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-12 9:13 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-12 19:38 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-15 14:33 ` Warren Young
2011-08-15 15:45 ` Charles Wilson
2011-08-15 16:00 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-15 18:26 ` Charles Wilson
2011-08-15 18:00 ` Warren Young
2011-08-15 15:57 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-12 19:38 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-13 7:59 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-13 20:35 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-14 11:13 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-15 19:46 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-16 9:09 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-16 14:16 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-16 14:32 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-16 18:41 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-17 15:14 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-15 17:52 ` Warren Young
2011-08-15 17:58 ` Chris Sutcliffe
2011-08-15 18:02 ` Warren Young
2011-08-15 19:52 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-15 21:10 ` Warren Young
2011-08-16 8:36 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-16 19:28 ` Warren Young
2011-08-17 15:47 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-17 19:03 ` Charles Wilson
2011-08-18 11:26 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-18 21:07 ` setup.exe opening page graphic Warren Young
2011-08-19 15:40 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-19 22:23 ` Warren Young
2011-08-19 22:25 ` Warren Young
2011-08-20 11:17 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-22 18:36 ` Warren Young
2011-08-23 14:15 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-30 8:32 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-30 19:52 ` Warren Young
2011-08-31 9:42 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-31 13:56 ` Charles Wilson
2011-08-31 18:49 ` Warren Young
2011-08-31 20:57 ` Charles Wilson
2011-09-01 7:28 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-09-01 7:27 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-09-01 7:33 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-16 7:51 ` 256x256 px icons Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-16 16:17 ` Warren Young
2011-08-10 10:09 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-08 16:57 ` Warren Young
2011-08-08 20:46 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-08 22:38 ` Warren Young
2011-08-09 7:18 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-09 8:02 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-29 20:51 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-30 18:34 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-30 20:24 ` Cygwin Icons (Re: 256x256 px icons) Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-31 8:26 ` 256x256 px icons Andy Koppe
2011-07-29 8:25 ` Warren Young
2011-07-27 22:26 ` Charles Wilson
2011-07-28 5:52 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-14 8:18 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-14 11:16 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-15 14:44 ` Warren Young
2011-08-15 16:03 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-26 13:46 ` SETUP: default to mintty Charles Wilson
2011-07-26 15:01 ` Warren Young
2011-07-25 23:59 ` Christopher Faylor
2011-07-26 8:17 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-26 13:20 ` modernized icon Warren Young
2011-07-26 19:37 ` SETUP: default to mintty Andy Koppe
2011-07-26 19:52 ` Charles Wilson
2011-07-27 7:24 ` Andy Koppe
2011-07-27 7:46 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-27 8:07 ` Andy Koppe
2011-07-27 9:44 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-27 15:15 ` Andy Koppe
2011-07-27 15:53 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-27 16:38 ` Christopher Faylor
2011-08-03 14:44 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-03 15:45 ` Charles Wilson
2011-08-03 20:37 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-03 23:38 ` Warren Young
2011-08-04 5:18 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-04 9:09 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-04 10:26 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-05 20:05 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-05 20:46 ` Warren Young
2011-08-06 8:11 ` Andy Koppe
2011-08-05 21:26 ` Charles Wilson
2011-08-06 8:30 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-04 9:08 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-08-04 9:41 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-26 22:03 ` Warren Young
2011-07-27 7:08 ` Corinna Vinschen
2011-07-27 7:30 ` Andy Koppe
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