Cygwin Mailing Lists Disabled? Blocking Package Uploads?

Cygwin Mailing Lists Disabled? Blocking Package Uploads?

[Brian Inglis]

Hi folks,

Tried uploading package cpuid with and without LICENSE.
Neither seems to work (checked master setup.inn).

Also I don't seem to be able to get on to any mailing list interface to 
re-enable email to perhaps check status via email in public inbox.

Has the Cygwin mailing lists being disabled now blocking package uploads?

Can someone please see if they can have a look and give me some hints 
via DM.

Are there any other ways I can see any issues with package uploads?

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Re: Cygwin Mailing Lists Disabled? Blocking Package Uploads?

[Jon Turney]

On 02/10/2022 08:23, Brian Inglis wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Tried uploading package cpuid with and without LICENSE.
> Neither seems to work (checked master setup.ini).

It seems like I broke calm when I updated it a couple of days ago. :(

Thanks for pointing this out.

I've repaired it, and your upload seems to have succeeded.

> Also I don't seem to be able to get on to any mailing list interface to 
> re-enable email to perhaps check status via email in public inbox.

I don't understand what this means.

> Has the Cygwin mailing lists being disabled now blocking package uploads?

No.

> Can someone please see if they can have a look and give me some hints 
> via DM.
> 
> Are there any other ways I can see any issues with package uploads?

If your ISP is blocking email from sourceware, I can only suggest 
getting a free webmail from somewhere else, and arranging for upload 
reports be sent there as well (see [1]).

I'd did think that it would be nice to add a "recent uploads" report to 
the web pages, but I'm unlikely to have any time to work on that.
	
[1] https://cygwin.com/package-upload.html#reports

Re: Cygwin Mailing Lists Disabled? Blocking Package Uploads?

[Brian Inglis]

On 2022-10-02 05:20, Jon Turney wrote:
> On 02/10/2022 08:23, Brian Inglis wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Tried uploading package cpuid with and without LICENSE.
>> Neither seems to work (checked master setup.ini).
> 
> It seems like I broke calm when I updated it a couple of days ago. :(
> 
> Thanks for pointing this out.
> 
> I've repaired it, and your upload seems to have succeeded.

Thanks Jon,

>> Also I don't seem to be able to get on to any mailing list interface 
>> to re-enable email to perhaps check status via email in public inbox.
> 
> I don't understand what this means.

Email retries are often visible under Sourceware Public Inbox e.g.

https://inbox.sourceware.org/cygwin-apps/202209252042.28PJfcQU021984-28PKg7eC017324@mx1.webnames.ca/T/#u

and I am now also monitoring the Cygwin lists via Atom Feeds in Chromium 
Foxish RSS/Atom Feed reader extension.

>> Has the Cygwin mailing lists being disabled now blocking package uploads?
> 
> No.
> 
>> Can someone please see if they can have a look and give me some hints 
>> via DM.
>>
>> Are there any other ways I can see any issues with package uploads?
> 
> If your ISP is blocking email from sourceware, I can only suggest 
> getting a free webmail from somewhere else, and arranging for upload 
> reports be sent there as well (see [1]).

Thanks for that reminder, I've added Direct ISP and Gmail - hopefully 
one succeeds!

> I'd did think that it would be nice to add a "recent uploads" report to 
> the web pages, but I'm unlikely to have any time to work on that.
> 
> [1] https://cygwin.com/package-upload.html#reports

Any chance of maybe just appending to an mbox cleared after 24 hours old?

P.S.
I keep having to comment out LICENSE after updates to the latest SPDX 
keys, as it seems to block uploads!
What are you using to validate licences in calm - PyPi spdx-tools?

Finally, do you have any advice on what to do about various US Public 
Domain sources like tz{code,data} about which SPDX.org is still having 
discussions?
I have submitted input asking them to add a tz/tzdb/zoneinfo PD licence 
instance, and/or also something for other generic US.gov PD sources, 
like they currently have for NIST, CC, Open Data Commons, Sax, and 
libselinux.
But they closed an issue from a US.gov entity asking for a generic 
US.gov PD licence for their documents!

-- 
Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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Re: Cygwin Mailing Lists Disabled? Blocking Package Uploads?

[Jon Turney]

On 02/10/2022 19:13, Brian Inglis wrote:
> On 2022-10-02 05:20, Jon Turney wrote:
>> On 02/10/2022 08:23, Brian Inglis wrote:
>>> Also I don't seem to be able to get on to any mailing list interface 
>>> to re-enable email to perhaps check status via email in public inbox.
>>
>> I don't understand what this means.
> 
> Email retries are often visible under Sourceware Public Inbox e.g.
> 
> https://inbox.sourceware.org/cygwin-apps/202209252042.28PJfcQU021984-28PKg7eC017324-6W6R+pMrZmcI6pMNW8xKTw@public.gmane.org/T/#u

It was unintentional that email bounces were ending up there, and has 
been fixed.

> Any chance of maybe just appending to an mbox cleared after 24 hours old?

It would probably just be easier to arrange for upload reports to go to 
a new mailing list, if we that something that is really wanted...

> I keep having to comment out LICENSE after updates to the latest SPDX 
> keys, as it seems to block uploads!

The current situation is that a 'license:' key is not required in the 
package hint, but if present, it's value must validate.

If you're having problems, please give an example of a something you 
think is a valid SPDX license expression, but isn't accepted.

> What are you using to validate licences in calm - PyPi spdx-tools?

I'm using license_expression

(See https://github.com/nexB/license-expression)

> Finally, do you have any advice on what to do about various US Public 
> Domain sources like tz{code,data} about which SPDX.org is still having 
> discussions?
> I have submitted input asking them to add a tz/tzdb/zoneinfo PD licence 
> instance, and/or also something for other generic US.gov PD sources, 
> like they currently have for NIST, CC, Open Data Commons, Sax, and 
> libselinux.
> But they closed an issue from a US.gov entity asking for a generic 
> US.gov PD licence for their documents!
For our purposes, you may use the string 'Public-Domain', in cases where 
no license applies because the material has been placed in the public 
domain.

Re: Cygwin Mailing Lists Disabled? Blocking Package Uploads?

[Brian Inglis]

On 2022-10-02 14:37, Jon Turney wrote:
> On 02/10/2022 19:13, Brian Inglis wrote:
>> On 2022-10-02 05:20, Jon Turney wrote:
>>> On 02/10/2022 08:23, Brian Inglis wrote:
>>>> Also I don't seem to be able to get on to any mailing list interface 
>>>> to re-enable email to perhaps check status via email in public inbox.
>>>
>>> I don't understand what this means.
>>
>> Email retries are often visible under Sourceware Public Inbox e.g.
>>
>> https://inbox.sourceware.org/cygwin-apps/202209252042.28PJfcQU021984-28PKg7eC017324-6W6R+pMrZmcI6pMNW8xKTw@public.gmane.org/T/#u 

> It was unintentional that email bounces were ending up there, and has 
> been fixed.

Darn! ;^>

>> Any chance of maybe just appending to an mbox cleared after 24 hours old?
> 
> It would probably just be easier to arrange for upload reports to go to 
> a new mailing list, if we that something that is really wanted...

Wouldn't help me with Cygwin blocks ;^<
Meant just append to a mbox file under ~ e.g. ~/.mbox?

>> I keep having to comment out LICENSE after updates to the latest SPDX 
>> keys, as it seems to block uploads!
> 
> The current situation is that a 'license:' key is not required in the 
> package hint, but if present, it's value must validate.
> 
> If you're having problems, please give an example of a something you 
> think is a valid SPDX license expression, but isn't accepted.

These had to be commented out recently:

../fortune-mod/fortune-mod.cygport:#LICENSE=BSD-4-Clause

../unifont/unifont.cygport:#LICENSE="GPL-2.0-with-font-exception AND 
OFL-1.1"

although after further checking, it should have been OR, and is now:

LICENSE="(GPL-2.0-with-font-exception OR OFL-1.1) AND Public-Domain AND 
GPL-2.0-or-later"

>> What are you using to validate licences in calm - PyPi spdx-tools?
> 
> I'm using license_expression
> 
> (See https://github.com/nexB/license-expression)

Thanks - will see what I can do with that.

>> Finally, do you have any advice on what to do about various US Public 
>> Domain sources like tz{code,data} about which SPDX.org is still having 
>> discussions?
>> I have submitted input asking them to add a tz/tzdb/zoneinfo PD 
>> licence instance, and/or also something for other generic US.gov PD 
>> sources, like they currently have for NIST, CC, Open Data Commons, 
>> Sax, and libselinux.
>> But they closed an issue from a US.gov entity asking for a generic 
>> US.gov PD licence for their documents!

> For our purposes, you may use the string 'Public-Domain', in cases where 
> no license applies because the material has been placed in the public 
> domain.

Great - will use.

-- 
Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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