* "TakeoffGW" @ 2010-05-31 12:43 Andy Koppe 2010-05-31 13:45 ` "TakeoffGW" Charles Wilson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Andy Koppe @ 2010-05-31 12:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin-talk Yay, another Cygwin 1.3.3 (aka MSYS) distribution, this time using Cygwin's latest setup.exe: http://sourceforge.net/projects/takeoffgw Andy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: "TakeoffGW" 2010-05-31 12:43 "TakeoffGW" Andy Koppe @ 2010-05-31 13:45 ` Charles Wilson 2010-05-31 17:02 ` "TakeoffGW" Christopher Faylor 2010-05-31 18:25 ` "TakeoffGW" Andy Koppe 0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Charles Wilson @ 2010-05-31 13:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin-talk On 5/31/2010 8:43 AM, Andy Koppe wrote: > Yay, another Cygwin 1.3.3 (aka MSYS) distribution, this time using > Cygwin's latest setup.exe: > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/takeoffgw So far, it's only a fork of setup.exe. It doesn't actually include any installable components. Looking at the patches, the "mirror.lst" points to: http://takeoffgw.sourceforge.net/R0/ -- which doesn't exist, and ftp://localhost/takeoffgw/ I think "pier11" neglected to test his new brainchild on a different computer... The fun part is, he forked the cygwin-1.7 version of setup.exe. I have a hunch that our latest setup.exe does a lot of NTSEC things that might not actually play very well with cygwin-1.3.3/MSYS. In any case, I think this is more a concern for the MinGW/MSYS fellas: "Accompanying files (setup.hint) contain reference to original binary packages on MinGW site: https://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/" In otherwords, if he ever actually uploads the setup.ini, it'll point to the mingw project's tarballs (for MinGW gcc, MSYS components, etc). 'Course, they don't ptovide any md5sum signatures, so I kinda wonder what this new setup.exe fork will think about that... -- Chuck ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: "TakeoffGW" 2010-05-31 13:45 ` "TakeoffGW" Charles Wilson @ 2010-05-31 17:02 ` Christopher Faylor 2010-05-31 18:25 ` "TakeoffGW" Andy Koppe 1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2010-05-31 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin-talk On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 09:44:52AM -0400, Charles Wilson wrote: >On 5/31/2010 8:43 AM, Andy Koppe wrote: >> Yay, another Cygwin 1.3.3 (aka MSYS) distribution, this time using >> Cygwin's latest setup.exe: >> >> http://sourceforge.net/projects/takeoffgw > >So far, it's only a fork of setup.exe. It doesn't actually include any >installable components. Looking at the patches, the "mirror.lst" points to: >http://takeoffgw.sourceforge.net/R0/ -- which doesn't exist, and >ftp://localhost/takeoffgw/ > >I think "pier11" neglected to test his new brainchild on a different >computer... It looks like "pier11" also neglected to understand the GPL since only patches are provided and no the actual source code. Anyone feel like telling him/her? Hmm. Does sourceforge have a method for reporting GPL violations? cgf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: "TakeoffGW" 2010-05-31 13:45 ` "TakeoffGW" Charles Wilson 2010-05-31 17:02 ` "TakeoffGW" Christopher Faylor @ 2010-05-31 18:25 ` Andy Koppe 2010-05-31 23:43 ` "TakeoffGW" Charles Wilson 1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Andy Koppe @ 2010-05-31 18:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Vulgar and Unprofessional Cygwin-Talk List On 31 May 2010 14:44, Charles Wilson wrote: >> Yay, another Cygwin 1.3.3 (aka MSYS) distribution, this time using >> Cygwin's latest setup.exe: >> >> http://sourceforge.net/projects/takeoffgw > > So far, it's only a fork of setup.exe. It doesn't actually include any > installable components. Looking at the patches, the "mirror.lst" points to: > http://takeoffgw.sourceforge.net/R0/ -- which doesn't exist Seems it's just that listing that directory is blocked. Accessing setup.ini within works fine, as does running setup.exe, although I cancelled it while it was trying to download 65MBs worth of msys-coreutils. Andy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: "TakeoffGW" 2010-05-31 18:25 ` "TakeoffGW" Andy Koppe @ 2010-05-31 23:43 ` Charles Wilson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Charles Wilson @ 2010-05-31 23:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Talk Amongst Yourselves On 5/31/2010 2:25 PM, Andy Koppe wrote: > Seems it's just that listing that directory is blocked. Accessing > setup.ini within works fine, as does running setup.exe, although I > cancelled it while it was trying to download 65MBs worth of > msys-coreutils. Oh, that's hysterical. The previous version of msys-coreutils was built with i18n support via a statically linked version of libintl, because the then-current msys gcc was based on gcc-2.95.3, and Bruno's fancy-schmancy mechanism for avoiding auto-import didn't work with that old version. Hence, msys-libintl was static only. This meant that every single app in coreutils was 1.2MB or bigger, even /bin/true.exe. You wouldn't BELIEVE the howls of outrage. You'd think disk space was paid for in gold bricks, or something. Now, the msys project compressed all those tarballs using lzma, which has a 4MB dictionary -- so all that repeated code in each exe compressed VERY well. This guy repackaged using bz2, which doesn't (dictionary too small) -- even though the version of setup that he forked DOES support .lzma (and .xz) But the really funny bit is this: he's pointing at all the msys packages released prior to May 2010 -- AND the msys-gcc-3.4.4 compiler. Which means half of his libraries are circa gcc-2.x, and half are circa gcc-3.x. Given that there was an ABI change in the cygwin-based compilers between 2.x and 3.x (to support the C++ exceptions across DLLs, but it affected C code too) -- I'm thinking...FAIL. AND...he's also pointing at the "msysDVLPR" package, which will clobber/conflict with msys-gcc(3.4), msys-g++(3.4), msysCORE-dev, and msys-w32api... I happen to know about this because I spent the last several months, since msys-gcc-3.4.4 was released, updating all of the msys packages to that new compiler, and rolled them out over the last few weeks. (On the plus side, with the new msys-gcc, libintl CAN be built as a DLL, so all those msys-coreutils apps are back down to ~20k as they should be). Boy, this guy's running afoul of two different developer communities simultaneously, which don't normally agree. First there's the whole GPL setup.exe thing (plus we cygwinner's despair at yet another unsupported installation method for cygwin-derived stuff). Then, there's the massive expansion of many additional tools to the "msys" platform. The MSYS guys do NOT want to replace cygwin; they don't want to have an msys port of apache, or pidgen, or GNOME ... It's supposed to be a "Minimal SYStem" -- just barely enough posix support and tools to run configure scripts, with tweaks tuned for use with MinGW's gcc, rather than "cygwin's" gcc. Yeesh. And no, pier11 never mentioned these plans "over there", either. The really REALLY funny thing, is in just a few weeks, the MinGW folks are going to (finally) release an installer of their own, which is extensible and allows to "include by reference" other repositories of addons. Which means a lot of his "repackaging" work -- and setup.exe fork -- was totally unnecessary. -- Chuck ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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