Re: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

Re: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

[mwoehlke]

Christopher Faylor wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:38:47PM -0700, infoterror wrote:
>> Under windows, programs are installed by default in "C:\Program Files."
>> cygwin's preferred "c:\cygwin" is foolish and makes an unnecessary mess
>> of installations.
> 
> I disagree.  Not all packages install in "c:\Program Files" and putting
> Cygwin's root directory there would mean extra typing, potential
> "filename with spaces" problems, and, most importantly, it would mean 10
> extra characters eaten from the MAX_PATH limit.  Also, as is pointed out
> later in this thread, there is a whole filesystem underneath the
> c:\cygwin directory.  Right or wrong, I've always considered Cygwin to
> be sort of a parallel to the Windows directory.
> 
> You can, of course, choose your own location, however.  I don't see why
> this should be a big issue for anyone who installs Cygwin.  If they know
> about "c:\Program Files" and think that's the place that cygwin should
> go, they are welcome to put things there.
> 
> What kind of problems do you think are being caused by installing to
> "c:\cygwin" and/or what kind of problems would be solved by installing
> to "c:\Program Files\cygwin"?

Whew. Thanks for wording that better than what I was managing. :-)

...And for better or worse, Cygwin isn't breaking any rules Microsoft 
themselves haven't broken.

-- 
Matthew
This is not the list you're looking for. -- Perversion of Obi Wan

Re: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

[Igor Peshansky]

On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, mwoehlke wrote:

> [snip]
> This is not the list you're looking for. -- Perversion of Obi Wan

This is the list you're not looking for. -- Yoda's reply
	Igor
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Re: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

[mwoehlke]

Igor Peshansky wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, mwoehlke wrote:
> 
>> [snip]
>> This is not the list you're looking for. -- Perversion of Obi Wan
> 
> This is the list you're not looking for. -- Yoda's reply
> 	Igor
> P.S. I've wanted to say this ever since I first saw that .sig :-)

Ooooohh, now you've done it! Now I have to suppress a slightly-snide and 
rather anime-esque comment on /your/ .sig. ;-)

So, you like the random rotater? At the moment my collection is 33 
signatures long, and only two have not been rotated in at all, yet.

Wait... make that 35. :-)

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Re: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

[Christopher Faylor]

On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 05:34:02PM -0500, mwoehlke wrote:
>Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:38:47PM -0700, infoterror wrote:
>>>Under windows, programs are installed by default in "C:\Program Files."
>>>cygwin's preferred "c:\cygwin" is foolish and makes an unnecessary mess
>>>of installations.
>>
>>I disagree.  Not all packages install in "c:\Program Files" and putting
>>Cygwin's root directory there would mean extra typing, potential
>>"filename with spaces" problems, and, most importantly, it would mean 10
>>extra characters eaten from the MAX_PATH limit.  Also, as is pointed out
>>later in this thread, there is a whole filesystem underneath the
>>c:\cygwin directory.  Right or wrong, I've always considered Cygwin to
>>be sort of a parallel to the Windows directory.
>>
>>You can, of course, choose your own location, however.  I don't see why
>>this should be a big issue for anyone who installs Cygwin.  If they know
>>about "c:\Program Files" and think that's the place that cygwin should
>>go, they are welcome to put things there.
>>
>>What kind of problems do you think are being caused by installing to
>>"c:\cygwin" and/or what kind of problems would be solved by installing
>>to "c:\Program Files\cygwin"?
>
>Whew. Thanks for wording that better than what I was managing. :-)

Thanks.

So what kind of response would you expect to my mail?  More "thin
intelligence", "foolish" responses?

>...And for better or worse, Cygwin isn't breaking any rules Microsoft 
>themselves haven't broken.

Yeah there is that and I resisted the urge to say something about
foolish consistencies, too.

cgf

RE: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

[Dave Korn]

On 10 August 2006 01:08, Igor Peshansky wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, mwoehlke wrote:
> 
>> [snip]
>> This is not the list you're looking for. -- Perversion of Obi Wan
> 
> This is the list you're not looking for. -- Yoda's reply


  ITYM "The list you are not looking for this is" ?

    cheers,
      DaveK
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Can't think of a witty .sigline today....

RE: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

[Igor Peshansky]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006, Dave Korn wrote:

> On 10 August 2006 01:08, Igor Peshansky wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, mwoehlke wrote:
> >
> >> [snip]
> >> This is not the list you're looking for. -- Perversion of Obi Wan
> >
> > This is the list you're not looking for. -- Yoda's reply
>
>   ITYM "The list you are not looking for this is" ?

Um, yes, that would sound more Yoda-ish...  Perhaps I should've used
another character -- C3PO, maybe?
	Igor
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Re: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

[mwoehlke]

Christopher Faylor wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 05:34:02PM -0500, mwoehlke wrote:
>> Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:38:47PM -0700, infoterror wrote:
>>>> Under windows, programs are installed by default in "C:\Program Files."
>>>> cygwin's preferred "c:\cygwin" is foolish and makes an unnecessary mess
>>>> of installations.
>>> I disagree.  Not all packages install in "c:\Program Files" and putting
>>> Cygwin's root directory there would mean extra typing, potential
>>> "filename with spaces" problems, and, most importantly, it would mean 10
>>> extra characters eaten from the MAX_PATH limit.  Also, as is pointed out
>>> later in this thread, there is a whole filesystem underneath the
>>> c:\cygwin directory.  Right or wrong, I've always considered Cygwin to
>>> be sort of a parallel to the Windows directory.
>>>
>>> You can, of course, choose your own location, however.  I don't see why
>>> this should be a big issue for anyone who installs Cygwin.  If they know
>>> about "c:\Program Files" and think that's the place that cygwin should
>>> go, they are welcome to put things there.
>>>
>>> What kind of problems do you think are being caused by installing to
>>> "c:\cygwin" and/or what kind of problems would be solved by installing
>>> to "c:\Program Files\cygwin"?
>> Whew. Thanks for wording that better than what I was managing. :-)
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> So what kind of response would you expect to my mail?  More "thin
> intelligence", "foolish" responses?

Are you asking if I thought your response was reasonable and 
non-inflammatory (yes; it helped /me/ step back and start thinking again 
:-)), or if I think infoterror is a troll? Or do I just not understand 
the question?

>> ...And for better or worse, Cygwin isn't breaking any rules Microsoft 
>> themselves haven't broken.
> 
> Yeah there is that and I resisted the urge to say something about
> foolish consistencies, too.

Right, I was also busy doing that, only all I was managing to write was 
troll food. Fortunately I realized that, and gave up.

(Oh, look, *there's* one of the signatures that was still at 0 uses :-))

-- 
Matthew
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vIMprovement? (Was Re: Cygintl-3.dll was not found)

[Igor Peshansky]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006, mwoehlke wrote:

> (Oh, look, *there's* one of the signatures that was still at 0 uses :-))
> [snip]
> vIMprove your life! Now on version 7!

Speaking of vIMprovements, I don't find the fact that VIm's tab completion
for files in command mode became case-insensitive particularly convenient.
In fact, it's been annoying me to no end for the past month or so.
Anyone know how to turn that off?  Before you ask, scouring VIm's
documentation for "tab completion" didn't help ('infercase' isn't for
that, and my 'ignorecase' and 'smartcase' are turned off).
	Igor
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Re: vIMprovement? (Was Re: Cygintl-3.dll was not found)

[mwoehlke]

Igor Peshansky wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006, mwoehlke wrote:
> 
>> (Oh, look, *there's* one of the signatures that was still at 0 uses :-))
>> [snip]
>> vIMprove your life! Now on version 7!
> 
> Speaking of vIMprovements, I don't find the fact that VIm's tab completion
> for files in command mode became case-insensitive particularly convenient.
> In fact, it's been annoying me to no end for the past month or so.
> Anyone know how to turn that off?  Before you ask, scouring VIm's
> documentation for "tab completion" didn't help ('infercase' isn't for
> that, and my 'ignorecase' and 'smartcase' are turned off).

Sorry, can't help... I use vim for quick-and-dirty editing; my skills 
with it are abysmal compared to those of a real vim guru.

Anyway, isn't this the point where I say "this isn't a Cygwin question; 
please ask on the vim mailing list"? ;-) I assume you've tried there? (I 
watch vim-dev@, not vim@) Alternatively you could try mailing Bram 
directly, although it seems his availability is lower-than-usual at the 
moment.

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Re: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 10:13:26AM -0500, mwoehlke wrote:
>Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 05:34:02PM -0500, mwoehlke wrote:
>>>Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>>>On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:38:47PM -0700, infoterror wrote:
>>>>>Under windows, programs are installed by default in "C:\Program Files."
>>>>>cygwin's preferred "c:\cygwin" is foolish and makes an unnecessary mess
>>>>>of installations.
>>>>I disagree.  Not all packages install in "c:\Program Files" and putting
>>>>Cygwin's root directory there would mean extra typing, potential
>>>>"filename with spaces" problems, and, most importantly, it would mean 10
>>>>extra characters eaten from the MAX_PATH limit.  Also, as is pointed out
>>>>later in this thread, there is a whole filesystem underneath the
>>>>c:\cygwin directory.  Right or wrong, I've always considered Cygwin to
>>>>be sort of a parallel to the Windows directory.
>>>>
>>>>You can, of course, choose your own location, however.  I don't see why
>>>>this should be a big issue for anyone who installs Cygwin.  If they know
>>>>about "c:\Program Files" and think that's the place that cygwin should
>>>>go, they are welcome to put things there.
>>>>
>>>>What kind of problems do you think are being caused by installing to
>>>>"c:\cygwin" and/or what kind of problems would be solved by installing
>>>>to "c:\Program Files\cygwin"?
>>>Whew. Thanks for wording that better than what I was managing. :-)
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>So what kind of response would you expect to my mail?  More "thin
>>intelligence", "foolish" responses?
>
>Are you asking if I thought your response was reasonable and 
>non-inflammatory (yes; it helped /me/ step back and start thinking again 
>:-)), or if I think infoterror is a troll? Or do I just not understand 
>the question?

I was just wondering if we'd get more of the same.  Just an idle question.

cgf

RE: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

[Dave Korn]

On 10 August 2006 20:53, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 10:13:26AM -0500, mwoehlke wrote:
>> Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>> So what kind of response would you expect to my mail?  More "thin
>>> intelligence", "foolish" responses?
>> 
>> Are you asking if I thought your response was reasonable and
>> non-inflammatory (yes; it helped /me/ step back and start thinking again
>> :-)), or if I think infoterror is a troll? Or do I just not understand
>> the question?
> 
> I was just wondering if we'd get more of the same.  Just an idle question.
> 
> cgf


  Must have been the recent mentions of meow[*] that brought him in.

  He's not really got with the program, though, has he?

"  Infoterror is the art of persuading others to see your point, online,
without limiting yourself to polite discourse? Why? Most people do not
understand debate or argument, so they make noise and pretend they're
philosophers. How do you communicate? The answer: you troll them. Like any
other propaganda, it becomes effective when people see it often enough and see
its enemies without response. Make fools of the fools. Mock what is useless.
And most of all: always present a working answer.  "

  I didn't see him present any "working answer".

  Actually, I didn't see him "persuading others to see his point" either.

  On the other hand, I did see him not understanding debate or argument, and
pretending to be some kind of philosopher.  And he does appear to have fallen
for the line that trolling is a successful strategy for communicating with
people.

  So I give him 3 out of 10 for an unimaginative opening gambit, a lame
pseudo-philosophical justification, pat armchair-psychiatric diagnoses, and
really a total lack of anything new or innovative in his approach to trolling.
And even /that/ is just because I'm feeling generous and benignly
well-disposed to the world at large today  :-D


    cheers,
      DaveK

[*] - Hail Fluffy!
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Re: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

[mwoehlke]

Christopher Faylor wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 10:13:26AM -0500, mwoehlke wrote:
>> Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>> So what kind of response would you expect to my mail?  More "thin
>>> intelligence", "foolish" responses?
>> Are you asking if I thought your response was reasonable and 
>> non-inflammatory (yes; it helped /me/ step back and start thinking again 
>> :-)), or if I think infoterror is a troll? Or do I just not understand 
>> the question?
> 
> I was just wondering if we'd get more of the same.  Just an idle question.

Ah. Well then it deserves an idle response. :-)
(Did you miss it? Look closer... ;-))

-- 
Matthew
vIMprove your life! Now on version 7!

Re: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 09:24:02PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote:
>On 10 August 2006 20:53, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 10:13:26AM -0500, mwoehlke wrote:
>>> Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>>> So what kind of response would you expect to my mail?  More "thin
>>>> intelligence", "foolish" responses?
>>> 
>>> Are you asking if I thought your response was reasonable and
>>> non-inflammatory (yes; it helped /me/ step back and start thinking again
>>> :-)), or if I think infoterror is a troll? Or do I just not understand
>>> the question?
>> 
>> I was just wondering if we'd get more of the same.  Just an idle question.
>> 
>> cgf
>
>
>  Must have been the recent mentions of meow[*] that brought him in.
>
>  He's not really got with the program, though, has he?
>
>"  Infoterror is the art of persuading others to see your point, online,
>without limiting yourself to polite discourse? Why? Most people do not
>understand debate or argument, so they make noise and pretend they're
>philosophers. How do you communicate? The answer: you troll them. Like any
>other propaganda, it becomes effective when people see it often enough and see
>its enemies without response. Make fools of the fools. Mock what is useless.
>And most of all: always present a working answer.  "
>
>  I didn't see him present any "working answer".
>
>  Actually, I didn't see him "persuading others to see his point" either.
>
>  On the other hand, I did see him not understanding debate or argument, and
>pretending to be some kind of philosopher.  And he does appear to have fallen
>for the line that trolling is a successful strategy for communicating with
>people.
>
>  So I give him 3 out of 10 for an unimaginative opening gambit, a lame
>pseudo-philosophical justification, pat armchair-psychiatric diagnoses, and
>really a total lack of anything new or innovative in his approach to trolling.
>And even /that/ is just because I'm feeling generous and benignly
>well-disposed to the world at large today  :-D

Btw, I have a suspicion that this could be the same guy who was getting
increasingly annoyed that his email was being archived on gcc.gnu.org
"without his permission".  He spammed the fortran and gcc mailing lists
and, then, subsequently, the overseers mailing list.  He called himself
gnuterror at one point.

Or maybe *terror is just a popular alias to cowardly hide behind.

cgf

Re: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

[mwoehlke]

Dave Korn wrote:
> On 10 August 2006 20:53, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 10:13:26AM -0500, mwoehlke wrote:
>>> Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>>> So what kind of response would you expect to my mail?  More "thin
>>>> intelligence", "foolish" responses?
>>> Are you asking if I thought your response was reasonable and
>>> non-inflammatory (yes; it helped /me/ step back and start thinking again
>>> :-)), or if I think infoterror is a troll? Or do I just not understand
>>> the question?
>> I was just wondering if we'd get more of the same.  Just an idle question.
> 
>   Must have been the recent mentions of meow[*] that brought him in.
> 
>   He's not really got with the program, though, has he?
> 
> "  Infoterror is the art of persuading others to see your point, online,
> without limiting yourself to polite discourse? Why? Most people do not
> understand debate or argument, so they make noise and pretend they're
> philosophers. How do you communicate? The answer: you troll them. Like any
> other propaganda, it becomes effective when people see it often enough and see
> its enemies without response. Make fools of the fools. Mock what is useless.
> And most of all: always present a working answer.  "
> 
>   I didn't see him present any "working answer".
> 
>   Actually, I didn't see him "persuading others to see his point" either.
> 
>   On the other hand, I did see him not understanding debate or argument, and
> pretending to be some kind of philosopher.  And he does appear to have fallen
> for the line that trolling is a successful strategy for communicating with
> people.
> 
>   So I give him 3 out of 10 for an unimaginative opening gambit, a lame
> pseudo-philosophical justification, pat armchair-psychiatric diagnoses, and
> really a total lack of anything new or innovative in his approach to trolling.
> And even /that/ is just because I'm feeling generous and benignly
> well-disposed to the world at large today  :-D

Unfortunately, it seems to be working. That, or he's using a second 
(non-Nabble) alias to talk to himself about how he is single-handedly 
going to "Fix Things" (which might qualify as 'presenting a working 
answer').

-- 
Matthew
vIMprove your life! Now on version 7!

Re: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

[Cary Jamison]

infoterror wrote:
> I'm sorry you're having a tantrum. For those of us with a background
> in logical argument, what's happened here is obvious and typical.
> We're speaking different languages, and you've made no effort to
> understand what I'm saying because you take it as a personal insult
> that someone dare suggest your project could use some additions. This
> is all-too typical in IT. Good luck in your quest for maturity and
> logical coherence.

Wow, sure seems like a lot of ad hominem directed towards cgf in all this 
'logical' argument!

Next, he'll be spouting some ad hippoem, then watch out for the revenge of 
the hippos!

Re: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

[Christopher Faylor]

On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 04:45:54PM -0700, Cary Jamison wrote:
>infoterror wrote:
>>I'm sorry you're having a tantrum.  For those of us with a background
>>in logical argument, what's happened here is obvious and typical.
>>We're speaking different languages, and you've made no effort to
>>understand what I'm saying because you take it as a personal insult
>>that someone dare suggest your project could use some additions.  This
>>is all-too typical in IT.  Good luck in your quest for maturity and
>>logical coherence.
>
>Wow, sure seems like a lot of ad hominem directed towards cgf in all
>this 'logical' argument!
>
>Next, he'll be spouting some ad hippoem, then watch out for the revenge
>of the hippos!

I guess I just can't talk to logicians.  They are out of my league.

cgf

Re: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

[Christopher Faylor]

On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 08:28:06PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 04:45:54PM -0700, Cary Jamison wrote:
>>infoterror wrote:
>>>I'm sorry you're having a tantrum.  For those of us with a background
>>>in logical argument, what's happened here is obvious and typical.
>>>We're speaking different languages, and you've made no effort to
>>>understand what I'm saying because you take it as a personal insult
>>>that someone dare suggest your project could use some additions.  This
>>>is all-too typical in IT.  Good luck in your quest for maturity and
>>>logical coherence.
>>
>>Wow, sure seems like a lot of ad hominem directed towards cgf in all
>>this 'logical' argument!
>>
>>Next, he'll be spouting some ad hippoem, then watch out for the revenge
>>of the hippos!
>
>I guess I just can't talk to logicians.  They are out of my league.

Btw, a google search on this guy is pretty "interesting".

cgf

Re: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

[Brian Dessent]

Christopher Faylor wrote:

> I guess I just can't talk to logicians.  They are out of my league.

"You only think I guessed wrong!  That's what's so funny!  I switched
glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha, you fool!! You fell victim to
one of the classic blunders.  The most famous is never get involved in a
land war in Asia; and only slightly less well known is this:  Never go
in against a Sicilian, when death is on the line!"

RE: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

[Dave Korn]

On 02 November 2006 01:44, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 08:28:06PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 04:45:54PM -0700, Cary Jamison wrote:
>>> infoterror wrote:
>>>> I'm sorry you're having a tantrum.  For those of us with a background
>>>> in logical argument, what's happened here is obvious and typical.
>>>> We're speaking different languages, and you've made no effort to
>>>> understand what I'm saying because you take it as a personal insult
>>>> that someone dare suggest your project could use some additions.  This
>>>> is all-too typical in IT.  Good luck in your quest for maturity and
>>>> logical coherence.
>>> 
>>> Wow, sure seems like a lot of ad hominem directed towards cgf in all this
>>> 'logical' argument! 
>>> 
>>> Next, he'll be spouting some ad hippoem, then watch out for the revenge
>>> of the hippos!
>> 
>> I guess I just can't talk to logicians.  They are out of my league.
> 
> Btw, a google search on this guy is pretty "interesting".
> 
> cgf

http://tinyurl.com/yh4nt6

    cheers,
      DaveK
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Can't think of a witty .sigline today....

RE: Cygintl-3.dll was not found

[Igor Peshansky]

On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Dave Korn wrote:

> On 02 November 2006 01:44, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 08:28:06PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> >> On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 04:45:54PM -0700, Cary Jamison wrote:
> >>> infoterror wrote:
> >>>> I'm sorry you're having a tantrum.  For those of us with a background
> >>>> in logical argument, what's happened here is obvious and typical.
> >>>> We're speaking different languages, and you've made no effort to
> >>>> understand what I'm saying because you take it as a personal insult
> >>>> that someone dare suggest your project could use some additions.  This
> >>>> is all-too typical in IT.  Good luck in your quest for maturity and
> >>>> logical coherence.
> >>>
> >>> Wow, sure seems like a lot of ad hominem directed towards cgf in all this
> >>> 'logical' argument!
> >>>
> >>> Next, he'll be spouting some ad hippoem, then watch out for the revenge
> >>> of the hippos!
> >>
> >> I guess I just can't talk to logicians.  They are out of my league.
> >
> > Btw, a google search on this guy is pretty "interesting".
> >
> > cgf
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yh4nt6

Or something to that effect... :-)
	Igor
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ZZZzz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_		Igor Peshansky, Ph.D. (name changed!)
     |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ (  `'-'		old name: Igor Pechtchanski
    '---''(_/--'  `-'\_) fL	a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-.  Meow!

"Las! je suis sot... -Mais non, tu ne l'es pas, puisque tu t'en rends compte."
"But no -- you are no fool; you call yourself a fool, there's proof enough in
that!" -- Rostand, "Cyrano de Bergerac"