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From: "Paul Maier" <svn-user@web.de> To: "'cygwin-xfree'" <cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com> Cc: "'Jon TURNEY'" <jon.turney@dronecode.org.uk> Subject: AW: 'de' keyboard layout issues (Re: AW: AW: AltGr key mostly fires an additional CONTROL key) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 23:17:00 -0000 [thread overview] Message-ID: <001c01cc5621$4ae653e0$e0b2fba0$@de> (raw) In-Reply-To: <4E40016D.2080801@dronecode.org.uk> Hi Jon, 1. Tilde sign ------------- > > Tilde sign (~) should be a normal (not a blind) key. > > In Windows I hit AltGr+"+" to get ~, in XWin I need to type AltGr+"+" then space to > get a ~. > > See attachment for the initial XWin xmodmap -pke table. > > Possible xmodmap correction (works fine): > > keycode 35 = plus asterisk plus asterisk asciitilde > > This is a can of worms I don't want to open :-) > > At the moment, in the 'de' layout, the tilde deadkey will add a macron > diacritic, e.g. AltGr + "+" + a = ã. > > I really lack the expertise to determine if this is a bug in xkeyboard-config > (if this german keyboard behavior is something no german keyboard user would > ever expect or want) > > The xkb configurations we use come from the xkeyboard-config project, and > aren't trying to be identical to Windows, but to conform to the appropriate > national standards and user expectations. > > However, I can see in the case of XWin this is problematic, as it will be > confusing to switch between X and normal Windows windows which have different > keyboard behavior. I did some research: German computer keyboard layout is defined in DIN 2137-2. And to my surprise I found, that tilde is a dead key there. That means, that the xkeyboard-config project perfectly matches the DIN norm, while Windows (where the key is not dead) does not match it. So I understand, that you may want to stick to the DIN norm. A workaround for guys like me, who want the XWin keyboard work the same like Windows, is possible with xmodmap, so yeah ... let's close this point. 2. Euro currency sign --------------------- > > Euro Currency sign doesn't work. > > I know - it's not a latin1 character, but together with CP1252 this xmodmap > correction works like Windows: > > keycode 26 = e E e E 0x0080 > > I guess this is another symptom of Xlib not understanding the de_DE.CP1252 locale. > This works fine in the de_DE.UTF-8 locale. I agree to concentrate on more important stuff. 3. Non breaking space (NBSP) on ALT+space ----------------------------------------- > > ALT+Space produces a NBSP character (HEX A0) in Windows, but not in XWin. > > xmodmap correction is unfortunately not possible, because the xmodmap setting on > ISO_Level3_Shift+Space is just thrown away: > > Something like > > keycode 65 = space NoSymbol space NoSymbol nobreakspace > > or > > keycode 65 = space space space space nobreakspace > > doesn't work: it's discarded and the setting is not shown on a "xmodmap -pke". > > So I put nobreakspace to the fifth place of another key - there it works. > > That would be good if key 65 (space key) would accept above xmodmap setting or have > it initially. > > Reading [1], this looks like an (undocumented) Windows-ism > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-breaking_space#Keyboard_entry_methods I found out, that DIN 2137-2:2003-09 defines two different keyboard layouts, the one having ALT+space undefinied (the common layout with an extra "<"/">" key left to the y key; see page 27 of that DIN norm), the other one defining ALT+space as NBSP (see page 9 of that DIN norm, table 2, line 1). So it's fine, that ALT+space is undefined by default. But it wouldn't harm anybody, if ALT+space were xmodmap redefinable, so that those guys, who got used to using ALT+space in Windows, have a chance to xmodmap it themselves. And: for all other keys you can xmodmap what you like on ALT+key, so why not for ALT+space? I can easily xmodmap the NBSP onto another key, but if you try to do the same with the space key, XWin doesn't take it: Try xmodmapping keycode 65 = space NoSymbol space NoSymbol nobreakspace or keycode 65 = space space space space nobreakspace then issue a "xmodmap -pke" ... and the NBSP is not on the space key. 4. Number block --------------- > I can't reproduce this problem. > > I wonder if this is a problem with handling numpad overlaid onto normal keys > on a laptop keypad? Again, -logverbose 3 output together with xev output > would be helpful. That was referring to plugging an external (USB) keyboard to the Laptop. I got a new external keyboard recently. The number block was not working with my old external keyboard, but with the new one I can't reproduce the problem, with other words, it is working there. Unfortunately I don't have the old keyboard any more, so I can't help you debugging this issue. Maybe somebody else calls. Regards, Paul -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-08-08 23:17 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top [not found] <006301cc4fb3$2696d060$73c47120$@de> 2011-08-01 14:57 ` AltGr key mostly fires an additional CONTROL key Jon TURNEY [not found] ` <000001cc5085$6b711fb0$42535f10$@de> 2011-08-03 13:15 ` AW: " Jon TURNEY 2011-08-04 2:22 ` AW: " Paul Maier 2011-08-08 15:32 ` 'de' keyboard layout issues (Re: AW: AW: AltGr key mostly fires an additional CONTROL key) Jon TURNEY 2011-08-08 23:17 ` Paul Maier [this message] 2011-08-10 12:12 ` AW: " Jon TURNEY 2011-08-12 6:49 ` Paul Maier 2011-08-16 13:10 ` Jon TURNEY 2011-10-03 11:29 ` AW: AW: 'de' keyboard layout issues Paul Maier 2012-08-06 12:49 ` Jon TURNEY 2012-07-22 0:22 ` Paul Maier 2012-08-06 12:22 ` AW: 'de' keyboard layout issues (Re: AW: AW: AltGr key mostly fires an additional CONTROL key) Jon TURNEY 2011-10-03 10:16 ` AW: AW: AltGr key mostly fires an additional CONTROL key Paul Maier
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