Re: Re: xserv 4.3.0-29 Alt Gr Problem is gone

Re: Re: xserv 4.3.0-29 Alt Gr Problem is gone

[Christoph Leser]

Harold,

thanks for your immediate help. I did as you suggested and it worked out fine for me:

XWin 4.3.0-29 is now running AND there is no problem with Alt-Gr anymore.

Thanks to you and all the people providing the great cygwin stuff

Happy New Year

Christoph

> Run 'mount' in a Cygwin bash shell. You should see something that includes a > line like the following:

> C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\fonts on /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts type system (binmode)


> If you see "type system" in that line, then run the following in your Cygwin > bash shell:

> umount /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts

> Else, run the following

> umount -u /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts


> The problem is that your mount-point for your fonts directory points to a dead or invalid directory and needs to be removed.

> You know need to re-run Cygwin's setup.exe and make sure that the XFree86-fenc and XFree86-fnts packages are installed or re-installed.

> Harold

Christoph Leser wrote:


>> thanks for pointing me to /tmp/XWin.log

>> This shows, that the font directory is not properly installed.

>> When I try to reinstall, the installer hangs when trying to create the sub >> drirectories. ( As a matter of fact I cannot create /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts >> in bash,, gives 'mkdir: cannot create directory 'fonts': No such file or >>directory' )

>> I have no idea what has happened, maybe something wrong with xp?

>> Thanks

>> Christoph 

Re: xserv 4.3.0-29 Alt Gr Problem is gone

[Harold L Hunt II]

Christoph,

Thanks for the confirmation.  I was really hoping that I fixed that 
problem for good :)

Harold

Christoph Leser wrote:

> Harold,
> 
> thanks for your immediate help. I did as you suggested and it worked out fine for me:
> 
> XWin 4.3.0-29 is now running AND there is no problem with Alt-Gr anymore.
> 
> Thanks to you and all the people providing the great cygwin stuff
> 
> Happy New Year
> 
> Christoph
> 
> 
>>Run 'mount' in a Cygwin bash shell. You should see something that includes a > line like the following:
> 
> 
>>C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\fonts on /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts type system (binmode)
> 
> 
> 
>>If you see "type system" in that line, then run the following in your Cygwin > bash shell:
> 
> 
>>umount /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
> 
> 
>>Else, run the following
> 
> 
>>umount -u /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
> 
> 
> 
>>The problem is that your mount-point for your fonts directory points to a dead or invalid directory and needs to be removed.
> 
> 
>>You know need to re-run Cygwin's setup.exe and make sure that the XFree86-fenc and XFree86-fnts packages are installed or re-installed.
> 
> 
>>Harold
> 
> 
> Christoph Leser wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>>thanks for pointing me to /tmp/XWin.log
> 
> 
>>>This shows, that the font directory is not properly installed.
> 
> 
>>>When I try to reinstall, the installer hangs when trying to create the sub >> drirectories. ( As a matter of fact I cannot create /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts >> in bash,, gives 'mkdir: cannot create directory 'fonts': No such file or >>directory' )
> 
> 
>>>I have no idea what has happened, maybe something wrong with xp?
> 
> 
>>>Thanks
> 
> 
>>>Christoph 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: xserv 4.3.0-29 Alt Gr Problem is gone

[Hans Dekker]

Hi all and Harold,

Sorry for being persistent, but I guess I have to revisit alt-Gr key 
problem using a Spanish keyboard.

Just tried xserv version 4.3.0-30 (I used the 4.3.0-21 before), and 
starting X-windows in either a xfree bash shell as well as the CDE 
environment xmodmap tells me that I have only 2 definitions per key 
(normal key usage and Shift-key combination). So the Alt-Gr definition 
is not defined for the keys.

Xf86Config and the es keyboard map have been modified to define AltGr as 
Mode_Switch. I tried various startup parameters with the XWin 
executable, but no success. I installed xserv 4.3.0-30 over version 
4.3.0-21 using the Cygwin setup program. It's running in Windows XP.

I guess there must be a small thing to configure the keyboard usage in 
X-Window OK.

But what is it?

Regards, Hans.

Harold L Hunt II escribió:
> Christoph,
> 
> Thanks for the confirmation.  I was really hoping that I fixed that 
> problem for good :)
> 
> Harold
> 
> Christoph Leser wrote:
> 
>> Harold,
>>
>> thanks for your immediate help. I did as you suggested and it worked 
>> out fine for me:
>>
>> XWin 4.3.0-29 is now running AND there is no problem with Alt-Gr anymore.
>>
>> Thanks to you and all the people providing the great cygwin stuff
>>
>> Happy New Year
>>
>> Christoph
>>
>>
>>> Run 'mount' in a Cygwin bash shell. You should see something that 
>>> includes a > line like the following:
>>
>>
>>
>>> C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\fonts on /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts type 
>>> system (binmode)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> If you see "type system" in that line, then run the following in your 
>>> Cygwin > bash shell:
>>
>>
>>
>>> umount /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
>>
>>
>>
>>> Else, run the following
>>
>>
>>
>>> umount -u /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> The problem is that your mount-point for your fonts directory points 
>>> to a dead or invalid directory and needs to be removed.
>>
>>
>>
>>> You know need to re-run Cygwin's setup.exe and make sure that the 
>>> XFree86-fenc and XFree86-fnts packages are installed or re-installed.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Harold
>>
>>
>>
>> Christoph Leser wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> thanks for pointing me to /tmp/XWin.log
>>>
>>
>>
>>>> This shows, that the font directory is not properly installed.
>>>
>>
>>
>>>> When I try to reinstall, the installer hangs when trying to create 
>>>> the sub >> drirectories. ( As a matter of fact I cannot create 
>>>> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts >> in bash,, gives 'mkdir: cannot create 
>>>> directory 'fonts': No such file or >>directory' )
>>>
>>
>>
>>>> I have no idea what has happened, maybe something wrong with xp?
>>>
>>
>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>
>>
>>
>>>> Christoph 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> .
> 

Re: xserv 4.3.0-29 Alt Gr Problem is gone

[Alexander Gottwald]

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Hans Dekker wrote:

> Sorry for being persistent, but I guess I have to revisit alt-Gr key 
> problem using a Spanish keyboard.
> 
> Just tried xserv version 4.3.0-30 (I used the 4.3.0-21 before), and 
> starting X-windows in either a xfree bash shell as well as the CDE 
> environment xmodmap tells me that I have only 2 definitions per key 
> (normal key usage and Shift-key combination). So the Alt-Gr definition 
> is not defined for the keys.

I've just tried

$ setxkbmap es

Pressing AltGr + '1' results in '|'

but xmodmap -pke does not print the extra symbols. So this must be a bug 
in xmodmap. 

For your problem with spanish layout and CDE (which is most likely a 
quite old X11 installation) I'd pass you on to xfree86@xfree86.org.

> Xf86Config and the es keyboard map have been modified to define AltGr as 
> Mode_Switch. I tried various startup parameters with the XWin 
> executable, but no success. I installed xserv 4.3.0-30 over version 
> 4.3.0-21 using the Cygwin setup program. It's running in Windows XP.

bye
	ago
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Re: xserv 4.3.0-29 Alt Gr Problem is gone

[Hans Dekker]

Sorry, setxkbmap doesn't work, not even in the xterm that is started by 
cygwin itself using startxwin.bat.

Defining keys with xmodmap by hand works and xmodmap -pk gives you than 
the output with the third definition (= AltGr definition) of a key.

What should I do with the cygwin X-window system to get it running well?

Regards, H.

Alexander Gottwald escribió:
> On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Hans Dekker wrote:
> 
> 
>>Sorry for being persistent, but I guess I have to revisit alt-Gr key 
>>problem using a Spanish keyboard.
>>
>>Just tried xserv version 4.3.0-30 (I used the 4.3.0-21 before), and 
>>starting X-windows in either a xfree bash shell as well as the CDE 
>>environment xmodmap tells me that I have only 2 definitions per key 
>>(normal key usage and Shift-key combination). So the Alt-Gr definition 
>>is not defined for the keys.
> 
> 
> I've just tried
> 
> $ setxkbmap es
> 
> Pressing AltGr + '1' results in '|'
> 
> but xmodmap -pke does not print the extra symbols. So this must be a bug 
> in xmodmap. 
> 
> For your problem with spanish layout and CDE (which is most likely a 
> quite old X11 installation) I'd pass you on to xfree86@xfree86.org.
> 
> 
>>Xf86Config and the es keyboard map have been modified to define AltGr as 
>>Mode_Switch. I tried various startup parameters with the XWin 
>>executable, but no success. I installed xserv 4.3.0-30 over version 
>>4.3.0-21 using the Cygwin setup program. It's running in Windows XP.
> 
> 
> bye
> 	ago

Re: xserv 4.3.0-29 Alt Gr Problem is gone

[Harold L Hunt II]

Hans,

 From a Cygwin bash shell, run 'set' and report the values of any of the 
following:

XAPPLRESDIR
XCMSDB
XKEYSYMDB
XNLSPATH

Harold

Hans Dekker wrote:
> Sorry, setxkbmap doesn't work, not even in the xterm that is started by 
> cygwin itself using startxwin.bat.
> 
> Defining keys with xmodmap by hand works and xmodmap -pk gives you than 
> the output with the third definition (= AltGr definition) of a key.
> 
> What should I do with the cygwin X-window system to get it running well?
> 
> Regards, H.
> 
> Alexander Gottwald escribió:
> 
>> On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Hans Dekker wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Sorry for being persistent, but I guess I have to revisit alt-Gr key 
>>> problem using a Spanish keyboard.
>>>
>>> Just tried xserv version 4.3.0-30 (I used the 4.3.0-21 before), and 
>>> starting X-windows in either a xfree bash shell as well as the CDE 
>>> environment xmodmap tells me that I have only 2 definitions per key 
>>> (normal key usage and Shift-key combination). So the Alt-Gr 
>>> definition is not defined for the keys.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've just tried
>>
>> $ setxkbmap es
>>
>> Pressing AltGr + '1' results in '|'
>>
>> but xmodmap -pke does not print the extra symbols. So this must be a 
>> bug in xmodmap.
>> For your problem with spanish layout and CDE (which is most likely a 
>> quite old X11 installation) I'd pass you on to xfree86@xfree86.org.
>>
>>
>>> Xf86Config and the es keyboard map have been modified to define AltGr 
>>> as Mode_Switch. I tried various startup parameters with the XWin 
>>> executable, but no success. I installed xserv 4.3.0-30 over version 
>>> 4.3.0-21 using the Cygwin setup program. It's running in Windows XP.
>>
>>
>>
>> bye
>>     ago
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: xserv 4.3.0-29 Alt Gr Problem is gone

[Hans Dekker]

Harold,

There are no such environment variables set.

startxwin.bat was used to start up the bash shell.

H.

Harold L Hunt II escribió:
> Hans,
> 
>  From a Cygwin bash shell, run 'set' and report the values of any of the 
> following:
> 
> XAPPLRESDIR
> XCMSDB
> XKEYSYMDB
> XNLSPATH
> 
> Harold
> 
> Hans Dekker wrote:
> 
>> Sorry, setxkbmap doesn't work, not even in the xterm that is started 
>> by cygwin itself using startxwin.bat.
>>
>> Defining keys with xmodmap by hand works and xmodmap -pk gives you 
>> than the output with the third definition (= AltGr definition) of a key.
>>
>> What should I do with the cygwin X-window system to get it running well?
>>
>> Regards, H.
>>
>> Alexander Gottwald escribió:
>>
>>> On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Hans Dekker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sorry for being persistent, but I guess I have to revisit alt-Gr key 
>>>> problem using a Spanish keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> Just tried xserv version 4.3.0-30 (I used the 4.3.0-21 before), and 
>>>> starting X-windows in either a xfree bash shell as well as the CDE 
>>>> environment xmodmap tells me that I have only 2 definitions per key 
>>>> (normal key usage and Shift-key combination). So the Alt-Gr 
>>>> definition is not defined for the keys.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've just tried
>>>
>>> $ setxkbmap es
>>>
>>> Pressing AltGr + '1' results in '|'
>>>
>>> but xmodmap -pke does not print the extra symbols. So this must be a 
>>> bug in xmodmap.
>>> For your problem with spanish layout and CDE (which is most likely a 
>>> quite old X11 installation) I'd pass you on to xfree86@xfree86.org.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Xf86Config and the es keyboard map have been modified to define 
>>>> AltGr as Mode_Switch. I tried various startup parameters with the 
>>>> XWin executable, but no success. I installed xserv 4.3.0-30 over 
>>>> version 4.3.0-21 using the Cygwin setup program. It's running in 
>>>> Windows XP.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bye
>>>     ago
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> .
> 

Re: xserv 4.3.0-29 Alt Gr Problem is gone

[Hans Dekker]

Still, what's the solution to defining your keyboard correctly *before* 
you start Xwin?.

I guess it must be simple, but probably I oversee some configuration 
file or anything similar.

Regards, Hans.

Alexander Gottwald escribió:
> On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Hans Dekker wrote:
> 
> 
>>Sorry for being persistent, but I guess I have to revisit alt-Gr key 
>>problem using a Spanish keyboard.
>>
>>Just tried xserv version 4.3.0-30 (I used the 4.3.0-21 before), and 
>>starting X-windows in either a xfree bash shell as well as the CDE 
>>environment xmodmap tells me that I have only 2 definitions per key 
>>(normal key usage and Shift-key combination). So the Alt-Gr definition 
>>is not defined for the keys.
> 
> 
> I've just tried
> 
> $ setxkbmap es
> 
> Pressing AltGr + '1' results in '|'
> 
> but xmodmap -pke does not print the extra symbols. So this must be a bug 
> in xmodmap. 
> 
> For your problem with spanish layout and CDE (which is most likely a 
> quite old X11 installation) I'd pass you on to xfree86@xfree86.org.
> 
> 
>>Xf86Config and the es keyboard map have been modified to define AltGr as 
>>Mode_Switch. I tried various startup parameters with the XWin 
>>executable, but no success. I installed xserv 4.3.0-30 over version 
>>4.3.0-21 using the Cygwin setup program. It's running in Windows XP.
> 
> 
> bye
> 	ago

Re: xserv 4.3.0-29 Alt Gr Problem is gone

[Alexander Gottwald]

Hans Dekker wrote:

> Still, what's the solution to defining your keyboard correctly *before*
> you start Xwin?.
>
> I guess it must be simple, but probably I oversee some configuration
> file or anything similar.

The config file.
http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html#q-non-U.S.-keyboard-layout

HTH
    ago

NP: Haujobb - Cleaned Visions
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Re: xserv 4.3.0-29 Alt Gr Problem is gone

[Alexander Gottwald]

Alexander Gottwald wrote:

> Hans Dekker wrote:
>
> > Still, what's the solution to defining your keyboard correctly *before*
> > you start Xwin?.
> >
> > I guess it must be simple, but probably I oversee some configuration
> > file or anything similar.
>
> The config file.
> http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html#q-non-U.S.-keyboard-layout

After I've read your mail again I noticed you're connecting to CDE. CDE uses
an old version of X11 and has problems with the keysymbol for the AltGr key.

Most likely CDE sets the keyboard layout with an extra modmap which does not
work with the 4.3 Release. But so far no one has examined this further or
reported the results.

bye
    ago
-- 
 Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de
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Re: xserv 4.3.0-29 Alt Gr Problem is gone

[Hans Dekker]

Hello Alexander,

Sometime ago I asked you about the solution of AltGr keyboards. For 
HP-UX I found the solution.

I am writing a mail to the user group and would like to mention your 
name (if you like) for helping to find the solution.

The text is below.

Tell me if that's OK for you or not.

Regards, Hans.

Hi all,

I posted some questions sometime ago on the problem of using Cygwin in
conjunction with HP-UX 11 CDE and other X-apps. Although xterm and 
hpterm were working well after editing with xmodmap, dtterm and our Sas 
application -which has an X/Motif/X11R6 interface- weren't.

After researching and finding mails from various user groups, I found
that setting the environment variable XKB_DISABLE=1 is the solution on a
HP-UX 11 platform. Setting this parameter disables Motif XKB 
translations and puts Motif apps back to good old X-handling of keyboards.

My suggestion to the editors of the Cygwin manuals would be to put this
at least in the Cygwin documentation, since I saw others in your mailing 
lists having this problem.

To get dtterm or your X/Motif application working well with the AtlGr
key on HP-UX 11 use:

start X environment
# XKB_DISABLE=1 dtterm
or
# XKB_DISABLE=1 <your app>

Next, you will need to reassign the AltGr key (thanks to A. Gottwalt and
Philippe Eclair):

xmodmap -e "clear mod5"
xmodmap -e "clear mod3"
xmodmap -e "keycode 113 = Mode_switch Multi_key"
xmodmap -e "add mod3 = Mode_switch"

Then you can modify your keyboard further with xmodmap as desired.

For convenience I added a xmodmap.es.hpux file with the definitions for 
a Spanish keyboard. It is a compilation of the definitions found in the 
file /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/es.

You can use xmodmap both on a terminal on your X-server as in the remote 
application that is using your X-server.

Beware to use xmodmap with other X-servers like the ones of Linux or 
XWin32, since those will have other keycodes mapped to the keyboard!

Following the documentation you can prevent the above xmodmap commands, 
changing one of the keyboard configurations included with Cygwin as you 
like using the XF86Config file.
In my case I still needed to xmodmap keys with to use their 'third' or 
AltGr definition, although others said this wouldn't be necessary and 
the keyboard mapping will be brought over OK the the X-server.

I included the file /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/es for a Spanish keyboard 
and added the option "hpux" which is a copy of the "nodeadkeys" options. 
Activate it in your XF86Config using:

       Option "XkbLayout"   "es"
       Option "XkbVariant"  "hpux"

       Option "LeftAlt"     "Meta"
       Option "RightAlt"    "ModeShift"
or use this command when you don't have a XF86Config file:

# setxkbmap -layout es -variant hpux


Using Cygwin with HP-UX CDE:

When you are using CDE on HP-UX you can use the following procedure,
which I found on the Internet. Check the solution at 
http://aa11.cjb.net/hpux_admin/2000/12/0212.html that came from the 
community:

Create the file /etc/dt/config/Xsession.d/0050.disable_xkb with the
following content:

#!/usr/bin/ksh
#####################################################################
### File: 0050.disable_xkb
###
### Purpose: disable the XKEYBOARD extension in all R6
### client software.
#####################################################################
export XKB_DISABLE=1

and give it the 755 protection.

Then put in the .dtprofile of a user the command to change his/her
keyboard layout:

xmodmap /etc/xmodmap.es.hpux

which contains a copy of the enclosed keyboard mapping.


Alexander Gottwald escribió:
> Alexander Gottwald wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hans Dekker wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Still, what's the solution to defining your keyboard correctly *before*
>>>you start Xwin?.
>>>
>>>I guess it must be simple, but probably I oversee some configuration
>>>file or anything similar.
>>
>>The config file.
>>http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html#q-non-U.S.-keyboard-layout
> 
> 
> After I've read your mail again I noticed you're connecting to CDE. CDE uses
> an old version of X11 and has problems with the keysymbol for the AltGr key.
> 
> Most likely CDE sets the keyboard layout with an extra modmap which does not
> work with the 4.3 Release. But so far no one has examined this further or
> reported the results.
> 
> bye
>     ago

Re: xserv 4.3.0-29 Alt Gr Problem is gone

[Alexander Gottwald]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Hans Dekker wrote:

> 
> Tell me if that's OK for you or not.

Yes. Looks good. I'll include it in the faq. 

> Next, you will need to reassign the AltGr key (thanks to A. Gottwalt and
> Philippe Eclair):

It's Gottwald. With _d_. 

bye
	ago
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