RE: re. problem report: gawk 3.1.1

RE: re. problem report: gawk 3.1.1

[Zieg, Mark]

> From: Nicholas Wourms [mailto:nwourms@yahoo.com]
>
> > Also, sending mail to mailing lists in HTML format is generally 
> > considered impolite.
> 
> I completely agree!  It is totally unacceptable to send messages with
> animated crap in it to the list.

Fortunately, receiver-side solutions exist for those who prefer not to
receive such things (man procmail).  I think it's generally preferable to
let people choose what they wish to read, rather than restrict what others
are allowed to write.

#===========================
# convert HTML-only messages
#===========================
:0 fbw
* ^Content-Type: text/html
| /usr/local/bin/lynx --force-html --dump /dev/stdin

:0 fhw
* ^Content-Type: text/html
| formail -i "Content-type: text/plain"


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RE: re. problem report: gawk 3.1.1

[Nicholas Wourms]

--- "Zieg, Mark" <mark.zieg@lmco.com> wrote:
> > From: Nicholas Wourms [mailto:nwourms@yahoo.com]
> >
> > > Also, sending mail to mailing lists in HTML format is generally
> 
> > > considered impolite.
> > 
> > I completely agree!  It is totally unacceptable to send messages
> with
> > animated crap in it to the list.
> 
> Fortunately, receiver-side solutions exist for those who prefer not
> to
> receive such things (man procmail).  I think it's generally
> preferable to
> let people choose what they wish to read, rather than restrict what
> others
> are allowed to write.
> 
> #===========================
> # convert HTML-only messages
> #===========================
> :0 fbw
> * ^Content-Type: text/html
> | /usr/local/bin/lynx --force-html --dump /dev/stdin
> 
> :0 fhw
> * ^Content-Type: text/html
> | formail -i "Content-type: text/plain"
> 

Well that's great if you can *use* procmail, but as you can see I use
yahoo mail.  So unless I fork out $29/yr, I have to read my mail
through their web interface.  I think the point needs to be
reiterated that sending HTML/M$MimeOLE encoded mail to a public list
is just downright RUDE.  Not only that, but as the previous poster
stated, it screws up Mozilla.

Cheers,
Nicholas

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9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost
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RE: re. problem report: gawk 3.1.1

[Randall R Schulz]

Nicolas,

There are those who find it rude to allow advertisements to be injected 
into your mail so that you can think of it as "free."

Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


At 08:01 2002-09-10, you wrote:

>...
>
>Well that's great if you can *use* procmail, but as you can see I use
>yahoo mail.  So unless I fork out $29/yr, I have to read my mail
>through their web interface.  I think the point needs to be
>reiterated that sending HTML/M$MimeOLE encoded mail to a public list
>is just downright RUDE.  Not only that, but as the previous poster
>stated, it screws up Mozilla.
>
>Cheers,
>Nicholas


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RE: re. problem report: gawk 3.1.1

[Igor Pechtchanski]

Granted.  But it's harder to ignore a flashing gif or html advertizement
than it is to ignore a bit of text (especially in the signature).
	Igor

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Randall R Schulz wrote:

> Nicolas,
>
> There are those who find it rude to allow advertisements to be injected
> into your mail so that you can think of it as "free."
>
> Randall Schulz
> Mountain View, CA USA
>
>
> At 08:01 2002-09-10, you wrote:
>
> >...
> >
> >Well that's great if you can *use* procmail, but as you can see I use
> >yahoo mail.  So unless I fork out $29/yr, I have to read my mail
> >through their web interface.  I think the point needs to be
> >reiterated that sending HTML/M$MimeOLE encoded mail to a public list
> >is just downright RUDE.  Not only that, but as the previous poster
> >stated, it screws up Mozilla.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Nicholas
>
>
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Re: re. problem report: gawk 3.1.1

[iporus]

yahoopops is a good choice to read your yahoo mail from Outlook express.
It even filter out all the crap Yahoo insert into your mail.

http://yahoopops.sourceforge.net

iporus
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randall R Schulz" <rrschulz@cris.com>
To: <cygwin@cygwin.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:11 AM
Subject: RE: re. problem report: gawk 3.1.1


> Nicolas,
> 
> There are those who find it rude to allow advertisements to be injected 
> into your mail so that you can think of it as "free."
> 
> Randall Schulz
> Mountain View, CA USA
> 
> 
> At 08:01 2002-09-10, you wrote:
> 
> >...
> >
> >Well that's great if you can *use* procmail, but as you can see I use
> >yahoo mail.  So unless I fork out $29/yr, I have to read my mail
> >through their web interface.  I think the point needs to be
> >reiterated that sending HTML/M$MimeOLE encoded mail to a public list
> >is just downright RUDE.  Not only that, but as the previous poster
> >stated, it screws up Mozilla.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Nicholas
> 
> 
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RE: re. problem report: gawk 3.1.1

[news]

On 10 Sep 2002, Nicholas Wourms <nwourms@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I use yahoo mail.  So unless I fork out $29/yr, I have
> to read my mail through their web interface.

Is this a new thing? Last I saw both y!.de and y!.co.uk still 
had it available for free (ISTR they require you to receive ads, 
or some such, but it is quite easy to work around it).

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RE: re. problem report: gawk 3.1.1

[Nicholas Wourms]

--- Randall R Schulz <rrschulz@cris.com> wrote:
> Nicolas,

s/Nicolas/Nicholas/

> There are those who find it rude to allow advertisements to be
> injected 
> into your mail so that you can think of it as "free."

By what standards?  There's a whole hell of a difference between
plaintext ads and html/animatedgif/javascript bs.  You're missing the
point I fear...

Cheers,
Nicholas

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9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost
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RE: re. problem report: gawk 3.1.1

[Randall R Schulz]

Nicholas,

At 13:37 2002-09-11, you wrote:

>--- Randall R Schulz <rrschulz@cris.com> wrote:
> > Nicolas,
>
>s/Nicolas/Nicholas/

Apologies. I confused your name with that of a "Nicolas" in another forum.


> > There are those who find it rude to allow advertisements to be injected
> > into your mail so that you can think of it as "free."
>
>By what standards?  There's a whole hell of a difference between
>plaintext ads and html/animatedgif/javascript bs.  You're missing the
>point I fear...

I'm not missing a point, I'm making one.

Your unwillingness to pay for a service results in a cost borne by all the 
recipients of your messages. It's not the perceived degree of blatantness 
to which I object (I've become quite able to ignore all the flashing 
animated advertisements on Web pages, where I've come to expect them even 
if I don't like them). Rather, it's the injection of commercial messages 
into an otherwise non-commercial forum to which I object.


>Cheers,
>Nicholas


Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


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Re: re. problem report: gawk 3.1.1

[Nicholas Wourms]

--- Michael Schaap <cygwin@mscha.org> wrote:
> On 10-9-2002 1:54, Pieter Prinsloo wrote:
> 
> > 
> > PS. And that schaap (sic) guy - with an incredible problem -
> > go bitch somewhere else ok!
> >  If goddamn signature slips in - at least be bloody civil -
> right!!
> 
> Good day to you too, sir...
> 
> It wasn't the signature that was bothering me - it was the format 
> itself.  Those IncrediCrap mails are sent in some weird
> non-standard 
> HTML format, which cause Mozilla to misbehave.
> Also, sending mail to mailing lists in HTML format is generally 
> considered impolite.

I completely agree!  It is totally unacceptable to send messages with
animated crap in it to the list.  In fact, while I'm at it I'm sick
of this corporate disclosure disclaimer bs.  People, please don't
send that crap here, it's a waste of space when we get 1 line of
content and 2 pages of disclosure crap.  It isn't that hard to pick
up the phone and yell at your IT personnel to cut that crap for
messages going to this list.  I'd even go so far as to suggest that
messages with such content be autofiltered as spam.

Cheers,
Nicholas

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Re: re. problem report: gawk 3.1.1

[Michael Schaap]

On 10-9-2002 1:54, Pieter Prinsloo wrote:

> 
> PS. And that schaap (sic) guy - with an incredible problem -
> go bitch somewhere else ok!
>  If goddamn signature slips in - at least be bloody civil - right!!

Good day to you too, sir...

It wasn't the signature that was bothering me - it was the format 
itself.  Those IncrediCrap mails are sent in some weird non-standard 
HTML format, which cause Mozilla to misbehave.
Also, sending mail to mailing lists in HTML format is generally 
considered impolite.

Warmest regards,

  - Michael


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re. problem report: gawk 3.1.1

[Pieter Prinsloo]

Hi guys.

This must surely be the fastest fix ever.

Just downloaded and installed the bash-2.05b-5 update - which installed
gawk 3.1.1-3 - and Problem solved.

Thanks for all involved and any suggestions received..

We'll do some more testing - but first to sleep.


Kind regards

PS. And that schaap (sic) guy - with an incredible problem -
go bitch somewhere else ok!
 If goddamn signature slips in - at least be bloody civil - right!!




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