Update CoreUtils

Update CoreUtils

[Steven Penny]

current Cygwin version is 8.15
http://cygwin.com/packages/x86_64/coreutils

8.16 was released over 2 years ago
http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/coreutils

MSYS2 is already using 8.22
http://github.com/Alexpux/MSYS2-packages/blob/master/coreutils/PKGBUILD

Can we get an update? I can create a build if needed.

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Thomas Wolff]

Am 11.05.2014 18:42, schrieb Steven Penny:
> current Cygwin version is 8.15
> http://cygwin.com/packages/x86_64/coreutils
>
> 8.16 was released over 2 years ago
> http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/coreutils
>
> MSYS2 is already using 8.22
> http://github.com/Alexpux/MSYS2-packages/blob/master/coreutils/PKGBUILD
>
> Can we get an update? I can create a build if needed.
The current version of `expand` is not UTF-8 aware (and thus garbles 
output).
If that's fixed upstream (which I don't know), I would strongly 
appreciate an update, too.

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Eric Blake]

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On 05/11/2014 10:42 AM, Steven Penny wrote:
> current Cygwin version is 8.15
> http://cygwin.com/packages/x86_64/coreutils
> 
> 8.16 was released over 2 years ago
> http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/coreutils
> 
> MSYS2 is already using 8.22
> http://github.com/Alexpux/MSYS2-packages/blob/master/coreutils/PKGBUILD
> 
> Can we get an update? I can create a build if needed.

I haven't relinquished maintainership of this package yet.  It's still
on my list of things to build, when I get a moment (although free time
has been a bit sparse as of late with the birth of my daughter last month).

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Eric Blake]

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On 05/11/2014 01:10 PM, Thomas Wolff wrote:
> 
> Am 11.05.2014 18:42, schrieb Steven Penny:
>> current Cygwin version is 8.15
>> http://cygwin.com/packages/x86_64/coreutils
>>
>> 8.16 was released over 2 years ago
>> http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/coreutils
>>
>> MSYS2 is already using 8.22
>> http://github.com/Alexpux/MSYS2-packages/blob/master/coreutils/PKGBUILD
>>
>> Can we get an update? I can create a build if needed.
> The current version of `expand` is not UTF-8 aware (and thus garbles
> output).
> If that's fixed upstream (which I don't know), I would strongly
> appreciate an update, too.

Upstream does not handle multibyte locales very well.  It is a much
bigger problem than just expand, and while some distros like Fedora have
provided downstream hacks that attempt to provide UTF-8, I am not very
willing to port them to cygwin if they aren't in a shape to push
upstream first (particularly since cygwin's wchar_t is a different width
than glibc, and therefore the downstream patches for Linux may fail to
work on cygwin without a lot of tweaking).

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Steven Penny]

On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Eric Blake wrote:
> I haven't relinquished maintainership of this package yet.  It's still
> on my list of things to build, when I get a moment (although free time
> has been a bit sparse as of late with the birth of my daughter last month).

Frankly I dont see how you can hold maintainer and not even update once a year.
Between

- coreutils
- bash
- git
- lack of a real package manager

all being way out of date I have already switched to MSYS2 once. The only reason
I came back is they still havent fixed the jacked mount points

    C:/msys64 on /usr
    C:/msys64 on /

while Cygwin correctly does

    C:/cygwin64/bin on /usr/bin
    C:/cygwin64/lib on /usr/lib
    C:/cygwin64 on /

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Christopher Faylor]

On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 04:33:06PM -0500, Steven Penny wrote:
>On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Eric Blake wrote:
>> I haven't relinquished maintainership of this package yet.  It's still
>> on my list of things to build, when I get a moment (although free time
>> has been a bit sparse as of late with the birth of my daughter last month).
>
>Frankly I dont see how you can hold maintainer and not even update once a year.
>Between
>
>- coreutils
>- bash
>- git
>- lack of a real package manager
>
>all being way out of date I have already switched to MSYS2 once. The only reason
>I came back is they still havent fixed the jacked mount points
>
>    C:/msys64 on /usr
>    C:/msys64 on /
>
>while Cygwin correctly does
>
>    C:/cygwin64/bin on /usr/bin
>    C:/cygwin64/lib on /usr/lib
>    C:/cygwin64 on /

Frankly, please give MSYS2 another try.  We'd all appreciate it.

cgf

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Steven Penny]

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 12:56 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> Frankly, please give MSYS2 another try.  We'd all appreciate it.

Look at the facts:

coreutils
newer version released 2 years ago

bash
newer version released 3 years ago

git
newer version released 2 years ago

These are major packages, not just "user X favorite package". Several people
including myself have offered to update them, only to be met with "Sorry, I am
maintainer not you. I will do it when I get time". It gets old after a while.

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Peter Rosin]

On 2014-05-13 14:29, Steven Penny wrote:
> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 12:56 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> Frankly, please give MSYS2 another try.  We'd all appreciate it.
> 
> Look at the facts:
> 
> coreutils
> newer version released 2 years ago
> 
> bash
> newer version released 3 years ago
> 
> git
> newer version released 2 years ago
> 
> These are major packages, not just "user X favorite package". Several people
> including myself have offered to update them, only to be met with "Sorry, I am
> maintainer not you. I will do it when I get time". It gets old after a while.

Now, I'm just a random user, but exactly because these are major packages, it's
good to have a maintainer that actually understands and fixes problems related
to Cygwin, instead of having a maintainer that just builds the latest version
and uploads it. Given that you seem to love MSYS2 so much, I can report that I
recently dealt with a \r-issue with MSYS2 bash. I'd rather have a maintainer
that insulates me from \r-issues and says "no" before they hit me, than have a
maintainer that don't understand why stripping every \r in sight isn't such a
good idea. (to be fair, I'm not 100% sure it was an issue with the official
MSYS2 bash or if it was some 3rd party patch on top of the official MSYS2 bash,
I don't run MSYS2 personally).

That said, I'd also love a bash update, but I'd rather have a working bash than
a new bash. Because it is a major package.

2 cents

Cheers,
Peter


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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 07:29:10AM -0500, Steven Penny wrote:
>These are major packages, not just "user X favorite package". Several people
>including myself have offered to update them, only to be met with "Sorry, I am
>maintainer not you. I will do it when I get time". It gets old after a while.

Frankly, so does your posting style.

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Chris J. Breisch]

Steven Penny wrote:
> These are major packages, not just "user X favorite package". Several people
> including myself have offered to update them, only to be met with "Sorry, I am
> maintainer not you. I will do it when I get time". It gets old after a while.
>

Well, if you don't want to wait, and you're confident of your ability to 
update, then do so. You don't have to publish the package to use it on 
your own system.

I don't know anything about the git source, but I know that bash and 
coreutils are a pain to update, because there's so much in both that 
depends upon Windows text mode/binary mode annoyances. Also, bash (I 
believe) understands Windows paths, and that doesn't make porting any 
easier either. I spent a very brief time looking at updating bash 
myself, and decided it wasn't worth the pain.

I've done a little with coreutils in the past, and I suspect if I had 
to, I could update it using the patches from the last version as a 
starting point, but I haven't found a need to do so yet.

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Steven Penny]

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Peter Rosin wrote:
> I'd rather have a maintainer
> that insulates me from \r-issues and says "no" before they hit me, than have a
> maintainer that don't understand why stripping every \r in sight isn't such a
> good idea.

We already have a system in place for this. The Cygwin installer allows you to
choose "Curr" or "Exp". "Curr" being stable version and "Exp" being
experimental. Except the reality is that the choices are "old" and "old".

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 09:59:03AM -0500, Steven Penny wrote:
>On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Peter Rosin wrote:
>>I'd rather have a maintainer that insulates me from \r-issues and says
>>"no" before they hit me, than have a maintainer that don't understand
>>why stripping every \r in sight isn't such a good idea.
>
>We already have a system in place for this.  The Cygwin installer
>allows you to choose "Curr" or "Exp".  "Curr" being stable version and
>"Exp" being experimental.  Except the reality is that the choices are
>"old" and "old".

Funny how you're saying "We" as if you are actually contributing
anything other than criticism.

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Steven Penny]

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> Funny how you're saying "We" as if you are actually contributing
> anything other than criticism.

You want me to contribute? Give me maintenance over one of the aforementioned
packages. Ball is in your court.

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Chris J. Breisch]

Steven Penny wrote:
> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> Funny how you're saying "We" as if you are actually contributing
>> anything other than criticism.
>
> You want me to contribute? Give me maintenance over one of the aforementioned
> packages. Ball is in your court.
>
If you're ready to maintain something, then you must have successfully 
built the version of the package you want to maintain, applied any 
necessary Cygwin patches, and gotten it to successfully work on your 
machine.

Since you've done all that, I am touched by your concern that the rest 
of us are running out-of-date stuff, and am glad that you are so eager 
to contribute. I'm sure Eric et al. would be happy to accept the 
assistance. PTC. (http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC)

Of course, if you haven't yet successfully built the version of the 
package you want to maintain, haven't applied the necessary Cygwin 
patches, and haven't gotten it to successfully work on your machine, 
then it's a bit ludicrous to expect someone to name you the maintainer 
of said package. You haven't shown any evidence of your ability to 
perform in that capacity.



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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Larry Hall (Cygwin)]

On 05/13/2014 02:36 PM, Chris J. Breisch wrote:
> Steven Penny wrote:
>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>> Funny how you're saying "We" as if you are actually contributing
>>> anything other than criticism.
>>
>> You want me to contribute? Give me maintenance over one of the aforementioned
>> packages. Ball is in your court.
>>
> If you're ready to maintain something, then you must have successfully built
> the version of the package you want to maintain, applied any necessary
> Cygwin patches, and gotten it to successfully work on your machine.
>
> Since you've done all that, I am touched by your concern that the rest of us
> are running out-of-date stuff, and am glad that you are so eager to
> contribute. I'm sure Eric et al. would be happy to accept the assistance.
> PTC. (http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC)
>
> Of course, if you haven't yet successfully built the version of the package
> you want to maintain, haven't applied the necessary Cygwin patches, and
> haven't gotten it to successfully work on your machine, then it's a bit
> ludicrous to expect someone to name you the maintainer of said package. You
> haven't shown any evidence of your ability to perform in that capacity.

...and Eric has.  Until he relinquishes his packages or disappears, the
majority (at least) of those on the list that use his packages appreciate
his efforts in the past and look forward to his support going forward.

If Eric decides to give up one or more of the packages you're interested
in picking up as maintainer, then we'll all be appreciative of your efforts
too. :-)


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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Eric Blake]

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On 05/13/2014 12:47 PM, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote:

>> Of course, if you haven't yet successfully built the version of the
>> package
>> you want to maintain, haven't applied the necessary Cygwin patches, and
>> haven't gotten it to successfully work on your machine, then it's a bit
>> ludicrous to expect someone to name you the maintainer of said
>> package. You
>> haven't shown any evidence of your ability to perform in that capacity.
> 
> ...and Eric has.  Until he relinquishes his packages or disappears, the
> majority (at least) of those on the list that use his packages appreciate
> his efforts in the past and look forward to his support going forward.
> 
> If Eric decides to give up one or more of the packages you're interested
> in picking up as maintainer, then we'll all be appreciative of your efforts
> too. :-)

For that matter, I've _already_ offered git up for another maintainer,
and am still waiting (at least 3 months later) for that transition to
completely materialize.  With progress like that, I'm less than
enthusiastic about handing over coreutils or bash.  But if you want to
post a test package for bash and/or coreutils, I'll at least review your
packaging to see if it looks like you preserved all the cygwin-specific
patches I already created, before deciding that handing over
maintainership makes sense.

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Christian Franke]

Eric Blake wrote:
> On 05/11/2014 10:42 AM, Steven Penny wrote:
>> Can we get an update? I can create a build if needed.
> I haven't relinquished maintainership of this package yet.  It's still
> on my list of things to build, when I get a moment (although free time
> has been a bit sparse as of late with the birth of my daughter last month).
>

Please note that a new x86 coreutils package should not install 
'hostname' and will require a synchronized upload of the x86 hostname 
package. The x86_64 distro already contains a hostname-less coreutils 
and hostname package.

https://sourceware.org/ml/cygwin-apps/2013-04/msg00103.html
https://sourceware.org/ml/cygwin-apps/2013-08/msg00107.html

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 01:00:24PM -0500, Steven Penny wrote:
>On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>Funny how you're saying "We" as if you are actually contributing
>>anything other than criticism.
>
>You want me to contribute?  Give me maintenance over one of the
>aforementioned packages.  Ball is in your court.

You want to contribute?  Stop wasting my time with attitude and learn
the rules.  "Ball is in your court" but I'm not holding my breath for
you to do anything other than kvetch.

cgf

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Steven Penny]

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Chris J. Breisch wrote:
> Of course, if you haven't yet successfully built the version of the package
> you want to maintain, haven't applied the necessary Cygwin patches, and
> haven't gotten it to successfully work on your machine, then it's a bit
> ludicrous to expect someone to name you the maintainer of said package. You
> haven't shown any evidence of your ability to perform in that capacity.

# Bash
Yes, I have built up to date Bash, this would be my pick if I am allowed
maintainer as I feel it is an important package that should be up to date.

# Git
I have built up to date Git as well, but between Adam Dinwoodie build and
CygwinPorts build Git is "good enough" for now

# CoreUtils
I think I tried and failed to built this a year ago, lately I wanted an up to
date version of "dd" for the "skip_bytes" option, but I dont really need that
now, so it is lower priority
http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/121798

# apt-cyg
I just to add for Christopher Faylor and others that I maintain "apt-cyg" a
Cygwin package manager.
http://github.com/transcode-open/apt-cyg
Granted it is not an official package such as Bash, but it is something.

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 03:29:40PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 01:00:24PM -0500, Steven Penny wrote:
>>On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>>Funny how you're saying "We" as if you are actually contributing
>>>anything other than criticism.
>>
>>You want me to contribute?  Give me maintenance over one of the
>>aforementioned packages.  Ball is in your court.
>
>You want to contribute?  Stop wasting my time with attitude and learn
>the rules.  "Ball is in your court" but I'm not holding my breath for
>you to do anything other than kvetch.

I've taken the ball back.  We don't need a new maintainer.

I've spoken with Eric.  I'm relieved that he still wants to stay on.

If his, or any other maintainer's update speed is not meeting
expectations then please, as suggested, just build the packages for your
own use.

cgf

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Steven Penny]

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> I've taken the ball back.  We don't need a new maintainer.

You clearly do, as I have shown. You are just choosing not to take one on. That
is your right of course. Let us continue the status quo.

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 06:26:01PM -0500, Steven Penny wrote:
>On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> I've taken the ball back.  We don't need a new maintainer.
>
>You clearly do, as I have shown.  You are just choosing not to take one
>on.  That is your right of course.  Let us continue the status quo.
>
>>I've spoken with Eric.  I'm relieved that he still wants to stay on.
>>
>>If his, or any other maintainer's update speed is not meeting
>>expectations then please, as suggested, just build the packages for your
>>own use.

You aren't privy to my private conversation with Eric.  I'm clearly
satisfied that he will get around to updating his packages and I am
confident in his ability to follow through on this.

cgf

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[David Conrad]

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 09:59:03AM -0500, Steven Penny wrote:
>> . . .
>
> Funny how you're saying "We" as if you are actually contributing
> anything other than criticism.
>

I started a thread, at one point, to ask about a newer version of git.
I offered to try to create a build, if it would help, even though
while I have over a decade of experience in the software industry I
have no experience as a Cygwin package maintainer. I also found that
Steven Penny had offered, six months or a year before my thread, to
build it. Adam Dinwoodie stepped up and offered to take over as
maintainer. He got a build out in short order, but there was a glitch
in either the cygwin dll or in openssl, I forget which, that caused
long-running git clones to fail. Once that was fixed, everything
seemed to be working except for something with git-cvs. I've never
used git-cvs, and haven't used CVS since early 2009, so I didn't know
how I could help with testing or resolving that issue. If I could
have, I would have.

I continued to use Adam's git build of 1.8.5.2 for the next couple of
months, but it slowly started to bother me more and more that I was
using a beta build. I didn't want to go back to git 1.7.9 because that
version is well over two years old now (although, admittedly, I never
had trouble with it). So I installed the native Windows git (msysgit)
1.9.2 from git-scm.org. It took a bit of configuring to get it to play
nice with Cygwin. I need git because all my company's projects are in
git (nearly; a few stragglers are still using svn). I wish there was a
Cygwin build that was, say, a year old or less.

(I still have one problem, that occasionally when it runs an external
tool, it uses its msys bash which doesn't understand SHELLOPTS=igncr,
which I need because of some stupid \r characters in the shell scripts
of npm from nodejs.)

I love Cygwin. I've been a happy user for years. Cygwin bash makes
using Windows tolerable, which makes my life better. I deeply
appreciate everything you all do, and I know that you're volunteers. I
have no claim on your time, or your effort. If I have to build a few
things myself, or use another version, I can do that. But it does look
like some people have tried to help. I'm sorry I wasn't able to be of
more help. There's no need for a reply to this. If you read this far,
then thank you for your time, and thank you for all you do.

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:56:41PM -0400, David Conrad wrote:
>On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 09:59:03AM -0500, Steven Penny wrote:
>>> . . .
>>
>> Funny how you're saying "We" as if you are actually contributing
>> anything other than criticism.
>>
>
>I started a thread, at one point, to ask about a newer version of git.
>I offered to try to create a build, if it would help, even though
>while I have over a decade of experience in the software industry I
>have no experience as a Cygwin package maintainer. I also found that
>Steven Penny had offered, six months or a year before my thread, to
>build it. Adam Dinwoodie stepped up and offered to take over as
>maintainer. He got a build out in short order, but there was a glitch
>in either the cygwin dll or in openssl, I forget which, that caused
>long-running git clones to fail. Once that was fixed, everything
>seemed to be working except for something with git-cvs. I've never
>used git-cvs, and haven't used CVS since early 2009, so I didn't know
>how I could help with testing or resolving that issue. If I could
>have, I would have.
>
>I continued to use Adam's git build of 1.8.5.2 for the next couple of
>months, but it slowly started to bother me more and more that I was
>using a beta build. I didn't want to go back to git 1.7.9 because that
>version is well over two years old now (although, admittedly, I never
>had trouble with it). So I installed the native Windows git (msysgit)
>1.9.2 from git-scm.org. It took a bit of configuring to get it to play
>nice with Cygwin. I need git because all my company's projects are in
>git (nearly; a few stragglers are still using svn). I wish there was a
>Cygwin build that was, say, a year old or less.
>
>(I still have one problem, that occasionally when it runs an external
>tool, it uses its msys bash which doesn't understand SHELLOPTS=igncr,
>which I need because of some stupid \r characters in the shell scripts
>of npm from nodejs.)
>
>I love Cygwin. I've been a happy user for years. Cygwin bash makes
>using Windows tolerable, which makes my life better. I deeply
>appreciate everything you all do, and I know that you're volunteers. I
>have no claim on your time, or your effort. If I have to build a few
>things myself, or use another version, I can do that. But it does look
>like some people have tried to help. I'm sorry I wasn't able to be of
>more help. There's no need for a reply to this. If you read this far,
>then thank you for your time, and thank you for all you do.

The intent of this message isn't clear to me.  You've just filled us all
in on your experience trying to use git and noted that we need a git
maintainer.  I guess people who aren't aware of that are now aware.  So
the bottom line is that git's status is: missing a maintainer, hoping
for someone to pick it up.

Hopefully the subtext isn't that this is stalled because someone like
Corinna or I didn't jump in to try to fix problems with git...

cgf

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Steven Penny]

On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> So the bottom line is that git's status is: missing a maintainer, hoping
> for someone to pick it up.

You have short term memory?

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2014-05/msg00255.html
http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2014-05/msg00279.html

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Chris J. Breisch]

Steven Penny wrote:
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> So the bottom line is that git's status is: missing a maintainer, hoping
>> for someone to pick it up.
>
> You have short term memory?
>
> http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2014-05/msg00255.html
> http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2014-05/msg00279.html
>

Do you?

https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2014-05/msg00284.html

 From the same thread. Amazing that you missed that.

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Steven Penny]

On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Chris J. Breisch wrote:
> Do you?
>
> https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2014-05/msg00284.html
>
> From the same thread. Amazing that you missed that.

You are out of your element, mate

https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2014-05/msg00298.html

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 05:49:53PM -0500, Steven Penny wrote:
>On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:12:46PM -0500, Steven Penny wrote:
>>On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Chris J. Breisch wrote:
>>>On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>>> So the bottom line is that git's status is: missing a maintainer, hoping
>>>> for someone to pick it up.
>>>
>>>You have short term memory?
>>
>> Do you?
>>
>> https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2014-05/msg00284.html
>>
>> From the same thread. Amazing that you missed that.
>
>You are out of your element, mate
>
>https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2014-05/msg00298.html

Nope.  You are confused.  Eric indicated 1) that he wanted to give up
git and 2) he did not want to give up bash or coreutils.  David Conrad
was talking about git.

So, as I said, we are missing a git maintainer even though we did have
someone trying to take on that responsibility.

You should be aware of what happened with git and should be able to
discern a template for how to go about adopting it.  Chest thumping and
rambling essays aren't going to magically make you a maintainer.  If you
are interested then, as I mentioned in the link that you quoted, you
have to learn the rules for becoming a maintainer.  You don't need me to
touch your shoulders with a sword to make things happen.

Oh, and just in case I get quoted in the future again, I'll make it
clear again: I'm talking about git, not coreutils or bash.

cgf

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[Chris J. Breisch]

Steven Penny wrote:
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Chris J. Breisch wrote:
>> Do you?
>>
>> https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2014-05/msg00284.html
>>
>>  From the same thread. Amazing that you missed that.
>
> You are out of your element, mate
>
> https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2014-05/msg00298.html
>
I think you should re-read the thread.

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Re: Update CoreUtils

[PolarStorm]

Christopher Faylor-8 wrote
> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 06:26:01PM -0500, Steven Penny wrote:
>>On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>> I've taken the ball back.  We don't need a new maintainer.
>>
>>You clearly do, as I have shown.  You are just choosing not to take one
>>on.  That is your right of course.  Let us continue the status quo.
>>
>>>I've spoken with Eric.  I'm relieved that he still wants to stay on.
>>>
>>>If his, or any other maintainer's update speed is not meeting
>>>expectations then please, as suggested, just build the packages for your
>>>own use.
> 
> You aren't privy to my private conversation with Eric.  I'm clearly
> satisfied that he will get around to updating his packages and I am
> confident in his ability to follow through on this.

Hello, 

I'm a rather random but very long time user of Cygwin, and only 
occasionally read the these threads. But after having read THIS 
thread, I'm left with is a rather disgusted feeling about certain 
peoples attitudes, behavior and manners towards other users who 
offer their help in sincerity. What is more surprising is how those who
claim their moral standpoint the hardest are the ones who are the 
most rude and outright unprofessional in close to all aspects. 

The words and bickering found here, is the behavior you'd expect 
to hear from a group of teenage religions sect fanatics. I see absolutely 
no forward looking or proactive action going on here at all.

If the current maintainer is not able to do his job for whatever or 
reproductive reasons, he should give it up. These packages are not his
or your babies, they are bigger than that and your developer egos. 
Open your arms to new talent and fresh spirits. Let them prove that 
they can do what they claim and let go. 

I envy Mr.Penny for supporting this kind of verbal non-sense abuse and 
in this case, he's right on all accounts. If it would have been me, I'd
simply 
left with a FU, long ago. 

Best Wishes,








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