Package Requests: Update:bash-completion, coreutils - New: linux-manpages

Package Requests: Update:bash-completion, coreutils - New: linux-manpages

[Richard Beels]

Findutils _was_ on this list but then I saw it come over the transom 
(yeay Brian! :-), which reminded me I never actually wrote about 
it.  Procrastination eekes a minor victory...  :)

bash-completion and coreutils are both currently several releases/years behind.

Also, I'll throw in an oddball request to save a bucket of headers - 
linux manpages.  I see the posix ones are packaged for the cyg, it 
would be nice to also get the linux manpages packaged in similar fashion.

Re: Package Requests: Update: bash-completion, coreutils - New: linux-manpages

[Brian Inglis]

On 2021-08-12 22:20, Richard Beels via Cygwin wrote:
> Findutils _was_ on this list but then I saw it come over the transom 
> (yeay Brian! :-), which reminded me I never actually wrote about it.  
> Procrastination ekes a minor victory...  :)
> 
> bash-completion and coreutils are both currently several releases/years 
> behind.
> 
> Also, I'll throw in an oddball request to save a bucket of headers - 
> linux manpages.  I see the posix ones are packaged for the cyg, it would 
> be nice to also get the linux manpages packaged in similar fashion.

Cheers - glad those are helping some - looking at a few others right now 
for this weekend:
- bison m4 sed​ - as current - and they are more developer oriented;
- dash grep gzip readline - as test - they are more pervasive and issues 
would be high impact.

I suggested linux-manpages a while back, as it comes from the same 
source as posix-manpages, and I install it myself, but did not get voted 
to package, due to duplication with conflicting priorities and no easy 
way to resolve under existing paths.

I could probably look at bash-completion if I can get around to bash, as 
I would worry about dependencies, fixes, and tweaks.

There are big challenges in bash and coreutils being years out of date 
as parts of those need customized for Cygwin, and the customization 
patches are likely to have issues, or even need redesign, if there have 
been major changes.

-- 
Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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Re: Package Requests: Update: bash-completion, coreutils - New: linux-manpages

[Richard Beels]

At 8/13/2021 at 01:11, Shakespearean monkeys danced on Brian Inglis's 
keyboard and said:
>  I suggested linux-manpages a while back, as it comes from the same 
> source as posix-manpages, and I install it myself, but did not get 
> voted to package, due to duplication with conflicting priorities 
> and no easy way to resolve under existing paths.

Huh...  they go to /usr/local by default (easily changeable with 
`make prefix=...`), which is pretty bare to begin with and with the 
fact that they don't package hardly anything in man1, the conflict 
potential goes down even further.  Ah well, I guess I just keep 
making it manually from a cloned repo.


>  I could probably look at bash-completion if I can get around to 
> bash, as I would worry about dependencies, fixes, and tweaks. There 
> are big challenges in bash and coreutils being years out of date as 
> parts of those need customized for Cygwin, and the customization 
> patches are likely to have issues, or even need redesign, if there 
> have been major changes.

bash-completion is a separate/disconnected project (now located at 
https://github.com/scop/bash-completion), it doesn't align its 
releases with bash itself.  bash-completion 2.7-2.10 require bash 
4.1+, 2.11 bumped that to 4.2.  Since we're at 4.4, I don't think 
that's a showstopper (BICBW).



And thanks again for the findutils update.  4.7 gave us 
comma-delimited -type/-xtype specs, so a "( -type p -o -type s )" 
(shown non-quoted for sanity's sake) becomes "-type p,s".  :thumbsup:

Re: Package Requests: Update: bash-completion, coreutils - New: linux-manpages

[Richard Beels]

At 8/13/2021 at 01:11, Shakespearean monkeys danced on Brian Inglis's 
keyboard and said:
>  I suggested linux-manpages a while back, as it comes from the same 
> source as posix-manpages, and I install it myself, but did not get 
> voted to package, due to duplication with conflicting priorities 
> and no easy way to resolve under existing paths.

Huh...  they go to /usr/local by default (easily changeable with 
`make prefix=...`), which is pretty bare to begin with and with the 
fact that they don't package hardly anything in man1, the conflict 
potential goes down even further.  Ah well, I guess I just keep 
making it manually from a cloned repo.


>  I could probably look at bash-completion if I can get around to 
> bash, as I would worry about dependencies, fixes, and tweaks. There 
> are big challenges in bash and coreutils being years out of date as 
> parts of those need customized for Cygwin, and the customization 
> patches are likely to have issues, or even need redesign, if there 
> have been major changes.

bash-completion is a separate/disconnected project (now located at 
https://github.com/scop/bash-completion), it doesn't align its 
releases with bash itself.  bash-completion 2.7-2.10 require bash 
4.1+, 2.11 bumped that to 4.2.  Since we're at 4.4, I don't think 
that's a showstopper (BICBW).



And thanks again for the findutils update.  4.7 gave us 
comma-delimited -type/-xtype specs, so a "( -type p -o -type s )" 
(shown non-quoted for sanity's sake) becomes "-type p,s".  :thumbsup:

Re: Package Requests: Update: bash-completion, coreutils - New: linux-manpages

[Richard Beels]

At 8/13/2021 at 01:11, Shakespearean monkeys danced on Brian Inglis's 
keyboard and said:
>  I suggested linux-manpages a while back, as it comes from the same 
> source as posix-manpages, and I install it myself, but did not get 
> voted to package, due to duplication with conflicting priorities 
> and no easy way to resolve under existing paths.

Huh...  they go to /usr/local by default (easily changeable with 
`make prefix=...`), which is pretty bare to begin with and with the 
fact that they don't package hardly anything in man1, the conflict 
potential goes down even further.  Ah well, I guess I just keep 
making it manually from a cloned repo.


>  I could probably look at bash-completion if I can get around to 
> bash, as I would worry about dependencies, fixes, and tweaks. There 
> are big challenges in bash and coreutils being years out of date as 
> parts of those need customized for Cygwin, and the customization 
> patches are likely to have issues, or even need redesign, if there 
> have been major changes.

bash-completion is a separate/disconnected project (now located at 
https://github.com/scop/bash-completion), it doesn't align its 
releases with bash itself.  bash-completion 2.7-2.10 require bash 
4.1+, 2.11 bumped that to 4.2.  Since we're at 4.4, I don't think 
that's a showstopper (BICBW).



And thanks again for the findutils update.  4.7 gave us 
comma-delimited -type/-xtype specs, so a "( -type p -o -type s )" 
(shown non-quoted for sanity's sake) becomes "-type p,s".  :thumbsup:

Re: Package Requests: Update: bash-completion, coreutils - New: linux-manpages

[Brian Inglis]

On 2021-08-13 14:48, Richard Beels via Cygwin wrote:
> At 8/13/2021 at 01:11, Shakespearean monkeys danced on Brian Inglis's 
> keyboard and said:
>>  I suggested linux-manpages a while back, as it comes from the same 
>> source as posix-manpages, and I install it myself, but did not get 
>> voted to package, due to duplication with conflicting priorities and 
>> no easy way to resolve under existing paths.

> Huh...  they go to /usr/local by default (easily changeable with `make 
> prefix=...`), which is pretty bare to begin with and with the fact that 
> they don't package hardly anything in man1, the conflict potential goes 
> down even further.  Ah well, I guess I just keep making it manually from 
> a cloned repo.

That's the issue - Cygwin supports project man pages installed under FHS 
locations like /usr/share/man/ where there would be "duplication", not 
installing in non-standard locations under /usr/local/{share/,}man/ nor 
under /usr/share/man/linux/ (man -m linux)!

>>  I could probably look at bash-completion if I can get around to bash, 
>> as I would worry about dependencies, fixes, and tweaks. There are big 
>> challenges in bash and coreutils being years out of date as parts of 
>> those need customized for Cygwin, and the customization patches are 
>> likely to have issues, or even need redesign, if there have been major 
>> changes.

> bash-completion is a separate/disconnected project (now located at 
> https://github.com/scop/bash-completion), it doesn't align its releases 
> with bash itself.  bash-completion 2.7-2.10 require bash 4.1+, 2.11 
> bumped that to 4.2.  Since we're at 4.4, I don't think that's a 
> showstopper (BICBW).

BYCBC|BYCBR

> And thanks again for the findutils update.  4.7 gave us comma-delimited 
> -type/-xtype specs, so a "( -type p -o -type s )" (shown non-quoted for 
> sanity's sake) becomes "-type p,s".  :thumbsup:

-- 
Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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Package Requests: Update:bash-completion, coreutils - New: linux-manpages

[Richard Beels]

Findutils _was_ on this list but then I saw it come over the transom 
(yeay Brian! :-), which reminded me I never actually wrote about 
it.  Procrastination eekes a minor victory...  :)

bash-completion and coreutils are both currently several releases/years behind.

Also, I'll throw in an oddball request to save a bucket of headers - 
linux manpages.  I see the posix ones are packaged for the cyg, it 
would be nice to also get the linux manpages packaged in similar fashion.

Package Requests: Update:bash-completion, coreutils - New: linux-manpages

[Richard Beels]

Findutils _was_ on this list but then I saw it come over the transom 
(yeay Brian! :-), which reminded me I never actually wrote about 
it.  Procrastination eekes a minor victory...  :)

bash-completion and coreutils are both currently several releases/years behind.

Also, I'll throw in an oddball request to save a bucket of headers - 
linux manpages.  I see the posix ones are packaged for the cyg, it 
would be nice to also get the linux manpages packaged in similar fashion.