* Setup.exe suggestions @ 2024-02-28 20:19 Lavrentiev, Anton (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [C] 2024-02-29 7:21 ` Christian Franke 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Lavrentiev, Anton (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [C] @ 2024-02-28 20:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin Hi All, I already tried to bring this up, but it looks like it was either ignored or just slipped through the cracks... I have a few suggestions that IMHO would make Setup a teeny-bit user-friendlier. Having to (re-)install Cygwin is probably the most dreaded action for everybody, and dealing with Setup is not to be taken light-heartedly when you have to go through thousands of packages. The version upgrade would probably be the only exception, which is rather seamless. There are a few challenges with Setup interactions... For new installations, it'd be great to have the most suitable (in most cases, the most recent) version shown as the first selection in all those pulldown version lists in the "New" columns. The logical order would be "the preferred (latest) version", "the version previous to that" ... "test version(s)", and then all the actions like "Uninstall"(grayed out), "Skip" (checked) etc coming last, so that one doesn't have to hover different distances when selecting the packages. There's always a challenge to reinstall Cygwin from an earlier setup (esp. a different host). The recipe to make a package list from a cygcheck dump and then to stuff it into the -P argument of Setup does not seem always doable, because there's an obvious restriction for how long the command line can be. My list of packages (which is still a tiny fraction of "everything") does not simply fit in there! So the suggestion is to allow the @ syntax for at least the -P, -x options: if there's only one argument given that starts with @, treat the rest as a file name, which contains the list... If there's a problem accessing that file, add the entire argument 'as is' as a "package", and the package name verifier should catch that as an error later. For existing installations, in the "Unneeded" view it'd be best to have the packages' "New" dispositions as "Uninstall" rather than "Keep", which they presently have showing by default. So that one does not have to go through (sometimes quite many) packages in that view to mark them all. If someone wants to retain some, it's easier to change those few back to "Keep". IDK how difficult it is all to implement -- I have no intimate knowledge of the Setup code, but at least the package list files do not sound too complex... These suggestions come from my personal experience with this utility, so your mileage may vary. The "patches welcome" suggestion in return is well understood. I just thought there might be folks with better understanding of the code, before me trying to jump in. Thanks! Anton Lavrentiev Contractor NIH/NLM/NCBI ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Setup.exe suggestions 2024-02-28 20:19 Setup.exe suggestions Lavrentiev, Anton (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [C] @ 2024-02-29 7:21 ` Christian Franke 2024-02-29 15:07 ` [EXTERNAL] " Lavrentiev, Anton (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [C] 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Christian Franke @ 2024-02-29 7:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin Hi, Lavrentiev, Anton wrote > ... > For new installations, it'd be great to have the most suitable (in most cases, the most > recent) version shown as the first selection in all those pulldown version lists in > the "New" columns. The logical order would be "the preferred (latest) version", > "the version previous to that" ... "test version(s)", and then all the actions like > "Uninstall"(grayed out), "Skip" (checked) etc coming last, so that one doesn't have to > hover different distances when selecting the packages. Doubleclick in "New" column toggles between "Skip" or "Keep" and the "preferred version". Ctrl+I selects the latter.and moves to the next row. > ... > For existing installations, in the "Unneeded" view it'd be best to have the packages' > "New" dispositions as "Uninstall" rather than "Keep", which they presently have showing > by default. Changing a view should never change the current package selection. > So that one does not have to go through (sometimes quite many) packages in > that view to mark them all. Press and hold Ctrl+U to select "Uninstall" for all. Then change to another view and back to "Unneeded" to see more possible unneeded packages. > If someone wants to retain some, it's easier to change > those few back to "Keep". Ctrl+K = "Keep", Ctrl+R = "Reinstall". -- Regards, Christian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Setup.exe suggestions 2024-02-29 7:21 ` Christian Franke @ 2024-02-29 15:07 ` Lavrentiev, Anton (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [C] 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Lavrentiev, Anton (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [C] @ 2024-02-29 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin; +Cc: Christian Franke Thank you for your response about the shortcuts... And double-clicks (which can be a ton when installing anew, as I figured). > Doubleclick in "New" column toggles between "Skip" or "Keep" and the > "preferred version". Ctrl+I selects the latter.and moves to the next row. What if I don't need the entire "New" column, but only some of the packages? > Press and hold Ctrl+U to select "Uninstall" for all. Then change to > another view and back to "Unneeded" to see more possible unneeded packages. Interesting. Anywhere it is documented? But how about replicating the installation? No shortcuts? Anton Lavrentiev Contractor NIH/NLM/NCBI ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* setup.exe suggestions @ 2001-11-11 8:26 Le Chat Noir 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Robert Collins 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Le Chat Noir @ 2001-11-11 8:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin Hi, firstly, forgive me for mentioning anything that's already been said, I don't read the mailing list, I just wanted to give feedback/make a suggestion to the Cygwin dev team. With setup.exe, there are two small, obvious features missing which would streamline it even further: 1) Remember the last setting for all choices, up until and including mirror. 2) A way to quickly select/deselect all packages; I went to make a bare Cygwin installation, and deselecting almost every package was v.tiresome! Thank you, and please contact me directly if you wish! Ciao. Jeremy -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: setup.exe suggestions 2001-11-11 8:26 setup.exe suggestions Le Chat Noir @ 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Robert Collins 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Ralf Habacker 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Robert Collins @ 2001-11-11 8:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin, Le Chat Noir ---- Original Message ----- From: "Le Chat Noir" <tergiversator@softhome.net> To: <cygwin@cygwin.com> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:10 AM Subject: setup.exe suggestions > > Hi, > > firstly, forgive me for mentioning anything that's already been said, I don't read the mailing list, I just wanted to give feedback/make a suggestion to the Cygwin dev team. > > With setup.exe, there are two small, obvious features missing which would streamline it even further: > > 1) Remember the last setting for all choices, up until and including mirror. Added to the wishlist. > 2) A way to quickly select/deselect all packages; I went to make a bare Cygwin installation, and deselecting almost every package was v.tiresome! This does not make sense long term. Consider conflicting packages (ie a SSL mutt and a non-SSL mutt). We will eventually be unable to have all packages installed. So selecting all is not useful. Also, with dependencies, you dont' need to select all packages to have cygwin supported here. Simlpy pick the package you want, and everything it needs will come in automatically. Rob -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* RE: setup.exe suggestions 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Robert Collins @ 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Ralf Habacker 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Robert Collins 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Ralf Habacker @ 2001-11-11 8:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Cygwin > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Le Chat Noir" <tergiversator@softhome.net> > To: <cygwin@cygwin.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:10 AM > Subject: setup.exe suggestions > > > > > > Hi, > > > > firstly, forgive me for mentioning anything that's already been said, > I don't read the mailing list, I just wanted to give feedback/make a > suggestion to the Cygwin dev team. > > > > With setup.exe, there are two small, obvious features missing which > would streamline it even further: > > > > 1) Remember the last setting for all choices, up until and including > mirror. > > Added to the wishlist. > > > 2) A way to quickly select/deselect all packages; I went to make a > bare Cygwin installation, and deselecting almost every package was > v.tiresome! > > This does not make sense long term. Consider conflicting packages (ie a > SSL mutt and a non-SSL mutt). We will eventually be unable to have all > packages installed. So selecting all is not useful. Also, with > dependencies, you dont' need to select all packages to have cygwin > supported here. Simlpy pick the package you want, and everything it > needs will come in automatically. > Perhaps it might be good to have a possibility to select predefined configurations like suse linux yast allow. For example basic web environment delevopment xfree ... Ralf > Rob > > > -- > Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple > Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html > Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html > FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ > > -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: setup.exe suggestions 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Ralf Habacker @ 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Robert Collins 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Ralf Habacker 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Robert Collins @ 2001-11-11 8:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ralf Habacker, Cygwin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralf Habacker" <Ralf.Habacker@freenet.de> > > > 2) A way to quickly select/deselect all packages; I went to make a > > bare Cygwin installation, and deselecting almost every package was > > v.tiresome! > > ...> > > Perhaps it might be good to have a possibility to select predefined > configurations like suse linux yast allow. > For example > basic > web environment > delevopment > xfree It exists already. It's just that no groupings have been created. To create one, simply make a package with no files, ie an empty tarball, and dependencies. Rob -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* RE: setup.exe suggestions 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Robert Collins @ 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Ralf Habacker 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Ralf Habacker @ 2001-11-11 8:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Cygwin > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: cygwin-owner@sources.redhat.com > [mailto:cygwin-owner@sources.redhat.com]Im Auftrag von Robert Collins > Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 15. November 2001 13:15 > An: Ralf Habacker; Cygwin > Betreff: Re: setup.exe suggestions > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ralf Habacker" <Ralf.Habacker@freenet.de> > > > > > 2) A way to quickly select/deselect all packages; I went to make a > > > bare Cygwin installation, and deselecting almost every package was > > > v.tiresome! > > > > ...> > > > Perhaps it might be good to have a possibility to select predefined > > configurations like suse linux yast allow. > > For example > > basic > > web environment > > delevopment > > xfree > > It exists already. It's just that no groupings have been created. To > create one, simply make a package with no files, ie an empty tarball, > and dependencies. > Great. Thats means there could be a new category named "configurations" or so containing all the dummy tarballs with related dependencies. > Rob > > > -- > Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple > Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html > Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html > FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ > > -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: setup.exe suggestions
@ 2000-05-26 10:24 Earnie Boyd
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From: Earnie Boyd @ 2000-05-26 10:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Svein Erling Seldal, cygwin
--- Svein Erling Seldal <Svein.Seldal@q-free.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'd like to suggest that the 'setup.exe' program should have an additional
> option (unless it already exists of course): The feature "download from
> internet without installing cygwin".
>
> I'm getting tired of pressing Ctrl+C as soon as the download process is
> done....
>
>
The source is available. Patches accepted.
Cheers,
=====
---
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* setup.exe suggestions @ 2000-05-26 4:03 Svein Erling Seldal 2000-05-26 9:35 ` Terry Lincoln 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Svein Erling Seldal @ 2000-05-26 4:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin Hello, I'd like to suggest that the 'setup.exe' program should have an additional option (unless it already exists of course): The feature "download from internet without installing cygwin". I'm getting tired of pressing Ctrl+C as soon as the download process is done.... Regards, Svein E. Seldal IT Department Q-Free ASA, Norway -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Send a message to cygwin-unsubscribe@sourceware.cygnus.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: setup.exe suggestions 2000-05-26 4:03 Svein Erling Seldal @ 2000-05-26 9:35 ` Terry Lincoln 2000-05-26 11:20 ` DJ Delorie 2000-05-26 14:29 ` Chris Faylor 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Terry Lincoln @ 2000-05-26 9:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Svein Erling Seldal, cygwin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, May 26, 2000 7:03 AM, Svein Erling Seldal wrote: > Hello, > > I'd like to suggest that the 'setup.exe' program should have an > additional option (unless it already exists of course): The > feature "download from internet without installing cygwin". > > I'm getting tired of pressing Ctrl+C as soon as the download > process is done.... > In the immortal words of Chris G. Faylor, "Patches are gratefully accepted." > > Regards, > Svein E. Seldal > IT Department > Q-Free ASA, Norway > > W. 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* Re: setup.exe suggestions 2000-05-26 9:35 ` Terry Lincoln @ 2000-05-26 11:20 ` DJ Delorie 2000-05-26 14:29 ` Chris Faylor 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: DJ Delorie @ 2000-05-26 11:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: lincoln2; +Cc: Svein.Seldal, cygwin > > I'm getting tired of pressing Ctrl+C as soon as the download > > process is done.... > > > In the immortal words of Chris G. Faylor, "Patches are gratefully > accepted." Actually, in this case it wouldn't help, as I'm in the middle of major setup work and they'd just get in the way. I'll add such a feature shortly, but I don't know when that setup will make its way to sourceware. But, this case is an exception. Patches are still gratefully accepted for other things :-) -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Send a message to cygwin-unsubscribe@sourceware.cygnus.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: setup.exe suggestions 2000-05-26 9:35 ` Terry Lincoln 2000-05-26 11:20 ` DJ Delorie @ 2000-05-26 14:29 ` Chris Faylor 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Chris Faylor @ 2000-05-26 14:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 12:36:42PM -0400, Terry Lincoln wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Friday, May 26, 2000 7:03 AM, Svein Erling Seldal wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'd like to suggest that the 'setup.exe' program should have an >> additional option (unless it already exists of course): The >> feature "download from internet without installing cygwin". >> >> I'm getting tired of pressing Ctrl+C as soon as the download >> process is done.... >> >In the immortal words of Chris G. Faylor, "Patches are gratefully >accepted." Actually, that is normally true but in this case I'd have to say: "Use ftp if you just want to download stuff." cgf -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Send a message to cygwin-unsubscribe@sourceware.cygnus.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2024-02-29 15:09 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 13+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2024-02-28 20:19 Setup.exe suggestions Lavrentiev, Anton (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [C] 2024-02-29 7:21 ` Christian Franke 2024-02-29 15:07 ` [EXTERNAL] " Lavrentiev, Anton (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [C] -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below -- 2001-11-11 8:26 setup.exe suggestions Le Chat Noir 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Robert Collins 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Ralf Habacker 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Robert Collins 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Ralf Habacker 2000-05-26 10:24 Earnie Boyd 2000-05-26 4:03 Svein Erling Seldal 2000-05-26 9:35 ` Terry Lincoln 2000-05-26 11:20 ` DJ Delorie 2000-05-26 14:29 ` Chris Faylor
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