* length in gawk returns wrong value
@ 2012-07-19 8:50 Ralf
2012-07-19 9:21 ` Corinna Vinschen
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From: Ralf @ 2012-07-19 8:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
The following lines create a file named ttt.txt. The file ttt.txt contains
exactly what I want (oct 374 for the umlaut u). But if you look at the output of
these lines you can see that the function length() of gawk can not handle this
character:
uname -a
echo "Rücken" > ttt.txt
od -c ttt.txt
gawk '{print "Length: " length($0)}' ttt.txt
Output:
CYGWIN_NT-6.0-WOW64 WIESWEG 1.7.9(0.237/5/3) 2011-03-29 10:10 i686 Cygwin
0000000 R 374 c k e n \r \n
0000010
Length: 1
What can I do to get the correct length in gawk without changing the contents of
ttt.txt?
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* Re: length in gawk returns wrong value
2012-07-19 8:50 length in gawk returns wrong value Ralf
@ 2012-07-19 9:21 ` Corinna Vinschen
2012-07-19 11:27 ` Ralf
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From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2012-07-19 9:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On Jul 19 08:50, Ralf wrote:
> The following lines create a file named ttt.txt. The file ttt.txt contains
> exactly what I want (oct 374 for the umlaut u). But if you look at the output of
> these lines you can see that the function length() of gawk can not handle this
> character:
>
> uname -a
> echo "Rücken" > ttt.txt
> od -c ttt.txt
> gawk '{print "Length: " length($0)}' ttt.txt
>
> Output:
> CYGWIN_NT-6.0-WOW64 WIESWEG 1.7.9(0.237/5/3) 2011-03-29 10:10 i686 Cygwin
Uh oh. 1.7.9 is old. Please update.
> 0000000 R 374 c k e n \r \n
> 0000010
> Length: 1
>
> What can I do to get the correct length in gawk without changing the contents of
> ttt.txt?
Dunno. This is not what I see. What did you have $LANG and $LC_CTYPE
set to? Here's what I see:
$ uname -a
CYGWIN_NT-6.1 vmbert7 1.7.16(0.261/5/3) 2012-07-09 14:51 i686 Cygwin
$ echo $LANG
C.UTF-8
$ echo "Rücken" > ttt.txt
$ od -c ttt.txt
0000000 R 303 274 c k e n \n
0000010
$ gawk '{print "Length: " length($0)}' ttt.txt
Length: 6
$ gawk --version | head -1
GNU Awk 4.0.1
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* Re: length in gawk returns wrong value
2012-07-19 9:21 ` Corinna Vinschen
@ 2012-07-19 11:27 ` Ralf
2012-07-19 11:40 ` Corinna Vinschen
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From: Ralf @ 2012-07-19 11:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
Corinna Vinschen <corinna-cygwin <at> cygwin.com> writes:
>
> Uh oh. 1.7.9 is old. Please update.
>
> > 0000000 R 374 c k e n \r \n
> > 0000010
> > Length: 1
> >
> > What can I do to get the correct length in gawk without changing
> > ttt.txt?
>
> Dunno. This is not what I see. What did you have $LANG and $LC_CTYPE
> set to? Here's what I see:
>
> $ uname -a
> CYGWIN_NT-6.1 vmbert7 1.7.16(0.261/5/3) 2012-07-09 14:51 i686 Cygwin
>
> $ echo $LANG
> C.UTF-8
>
> $ echo "Rücken" > ttt.txt
> $ od -c ttt.txt
> 0000000 R 303 274 c k e n \n
> 0000010
>
> $ gawk '{print "Length: " length($0)}' ttt.txt
> Length: 6
>
> $ gawk --version | head -1
> GNU Awk 4.0.1
>
> Corinna
>
After updating I added following lines on top of my script:
export LANG=C.UTF-8
echo LANG: $LANG
echo LC_CTYPE: $LC_TYPE
c:/unix/bin/gawk --version | head -1
And this is my output:
LANG: C.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE:
GNU Awk 4.0.1
CYGWIN_NT-6.0-WOW64 WIESWEG 1.7.15(0.260/5/3) 2012-05-09 10:25 i686 Cygwin
0000000 R 374 c k e n \r \n
0000010
Length: 5
Very strange!
But after adding
export LC_CTYPE=C
I got the correct result.
Thanks for your quick help!
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* Re: length in gawk returns wrong value
2012-07-19 11:27 ` Ralf
@ 2012-07-19 11:40 ` Corinna Vinschen
2012-07-19 12:36 ` Csaba Raduly
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From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2012-07-19 11:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On Jul 19 11:27, Ralf wrote:
> Corinna Vinschen <corinna-cygwin <at> cygwin.com> writes:
>
> >
> > Uh oh. 1.7.9 is old. Please update.
> >
> > > 0000000 R 374 c k e n \r \n
> > > 0000010
> > > Length: 1
> > >
> > > What can I do to get the correct length in gawk without changing
> > > ttt.txt?
> >
> > Dunno. This is not what I see. What did you have $LANG and $LC_CTYPE
> > set to? Here's what I see:
> >
> > $ uname -a
> > CYGWIN_NT-6.1 vmbert7 1.7.16(0.261/5/3) 2012-07-09 14:51 i686 Cygwin
> >
> > $ echo $LANG
> > C.UTF-8
> >
> > $ echo "Rücken" > ttt.txt
> > $ od -c ttt.txt
> > 0000000 R 303 274 c k e n \n
> > 0000010
> >
> > $ gawk '{print "Length: " length($0)}' ttt.txt
> > Length: 6
> >
> > $ gawk --version | head -1
> > GNU Awk 4.0.1
> >
> > Corinna
> >
>
> After updating I added following lines on top of my script:
> export LANG=C.UTF-8
> echo LANG: $LANG
> echo LC_CTYPE: $LC_TYPE
> c:/unix/bin/gawk --version | head -1
>
> And this is my output:
> LANG: C.UTF-8
> LC_CTYPE:
> GNU Awk 4.0.1
> CYGWIN_NT-6.0-WOW64 WIESWEG 1.7.15(0.260/5/3) 2012-05-09 10:25 i686 Cygwin
> 0000000 R 374 c k e n \r \n
> 0000010
> Length: 5
>
> Very strange!
Not at all. The file contains an invalid character. 0374 is the
umlaut-u in the ISO-8859-1 or ISO-8859-15 codesets. Try this:
$ LC_ALL=de_DE gawk '{print "Length: " length($0)}' ttt.txt
Length: 6
When you create the file under the UTF-8 codeset, you'll get:
0000000 R 303 274 c k e n \n
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* Re: length in gawk returns wrong value
2012-07-19 11:40 ` Corinna Vinschen
@ 2012-07-19 12:36 ` Csaba Raduly
2012-07-19 13:58 ` Aaron Schneider
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From: Csaba Raduly @ 2012-07-19 12:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> On Jul 19 11:27, Ralf wrote:
>> Corinna Vinschen <corinna-cygwin <at> cygwin.com> writes:
>>
>> >
>> > Uh oh. 1.7.9 is old. Please update.
>> >
>> > > 0000000 R 374 c k e n \r \n
>> > > 0000010
>> > > Length: 1
>> > >
>> > > What can I do to get the correct length in gawk without changing
>> > > ttt.txt?
>> >
>> > Dunno. This is not what I see. What did you have $LANG and $LC_CTYPE
>> > set to? Here's what I see:
>> >
>> > $ uname -a
>> > CYGWIN_NT-6.1 vmbert7 1.7.16(0.261/5/3) 2012-07-09 14:51 i686 Cygwin
>> >
>> > $ echo $LANG
>> > C.UTF-8
>> >
>> > $ echo "Rücken" > ttt.txt
>> > $ od -c ttt.txt
>> > 0000000 R 303 274 c k e n \n
>> > 0000010
>> >
>> > $ gawk '{print "Length: " length($0)}' ttt.txt
>> > Length: 6
>> >
>> > $ gawk --version | head -1
>> > GNU Awk 4.0.1
>> >
>> > Corinna
>> >
>>
>> After updating I added following lines on top of my script:
>> export LANG=C.UTF-8
>> echo LANG: $LANG
>> echo LC_CTYPE: $LC_TYPE
>> c:/unix/bin/gawk --version | head -1
>>
>> And this is my output:
>> LANG: C.UTF-8
>> LC_CTYPE:
>> GNU Awk 4.0.1
>> CYGWIN_NT-6.0-WOW64 WIESWEG 1.7.15(0.260/5/3) 2012-05-09 10:25 i686 Cygwin
>> 0000000 R 374 c k e n \r \n
>> 0000010
>> Length: 5
>>
>> Very strange!
>
> Not at all. The file contains an invalid character. 0374 is the
> umlaut-u in the ISO-8859-1 or ISO-8859-15 codesets. Try this:
>
> $ LC_ALL=de_DE gawk '{print "Length: " length($0)}' ttt.txt
> Length: 6
>
> When you create the file under the UTF-8 codeset, you'll get:
>
> 0000000 R 303 274 c k e n \n
>
Proving, once again, that "There Ain't No Such Thing as Plain Text"
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html
Csaba
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* Re: length in gawk returns wrong value
2012-07-19 12:36 ` Csaba Raduly
@ 2012-07-19 13:58 ` Aaron Schneider
2012-07-19 14:56 ` Corinna Vinschen
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From: Aaron Schneider @ 2012-07-19 13:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On 19/07/2012 14:35, Csaba Raduly wrote:
>
> Proving, once again, that "There Ain't No Such Thing as Plain Text"
> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html
>
>
> Csaba
>
No idea, but can't cygwin come with native UTF-8 enabled by default so
the behavior is the same for everyone?
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* Re: length in gawk returns wrong value
2012-07-19 13:58 ` Aaron Schneider
@ 2012-07-19 14:56 ` Corinna Vinschen
2012-07-19 16:17 ` Aaron Schneider
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From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2012-07-19 14:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On Jul 19 15:58, Aaron Schneider wrote:
> On 19/07/2012 14:35, Csaba Raduly wrote:
> >
> >Proving, once again, that "There Ain't No Such Thing as Plain Text"
> >http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html
> >
> >
> >Csaba
> >
>
> No idea, but can't cygwin come with native UTF-8 enabled by default
> so the behavior is the same for everyone?
It is. See /etc/profile.d/lang.{sh,csh}
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* Re: length in gawk returns wrong value
2012-07-19 14:56 ` Corinna Vinschen
@ 2012-07-19 16:17 ` Aaron Schneider
2012-07-19 16:46 ` Cliff Hones
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From: Aaron Schneider @ 2012-07-19 16:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On 19/07/2012 16:55, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> On Jul 19 15:58, Aaron Schneider wrote:
>> On 19/07/2012 14:35, Csaba Raduly wrote:
>>>
>>> Proving, once again, that "There Ain't No Such Thing as Plain Text"
>>> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Csaba
>>>
>>
>> No idea, but can't cygwin come with native UTF-8 enabled by default
>> so the behavior is the same for everyone?
>
> It is. See /etc/profile.d/lang.{sh,csh}
>
>
> Corinna
>
Looking at /etc/profile.d/lang.csh
if ( $?LC_ALL == 0 && $?LC_CTYPE == 0 && $?LANG == 0 ) setenv LANG
`/usr/bin/locale -uU`
I wonder why in my system the setenv command does not exist:
$ setenv
-bash: setenv: command not found
and why the if structure is not followed
if (test for true) then command ; fi
On the other side, /etc/profile.d/lang.sh seems to be ok.
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* Re: length in gawk returns wrong value
2012-07-19 16:17 ` Aaron Schneider
@ 2012-07-19 16:46 ` Cliff Hones
2012-07-19 16:54 ` Aaron Schneider
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From: Cliff Hones @ 2012-07-19 16:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On 19/07/2012 17:16, Aaron Schneider wrote:
> Looking at /etc/profile.d/lang.csh
> if ( $?LC_ALL == 0 && $?LC_CTYPE == 0 && $?LANG == 0 ) setenv LANG `/usr/bin/locale -uU`
>
> I wonder why in my system the setenv command does not exist:
> $ setenv
> -bash: setenv: command not found
>
> and why the if structure is not followed
> if (test for true) then command ; fi
>
> On the other side, /etc/profile.d/lang.sh seems to be ok.
I think you'll find the clue is the ".csh" extension. That syntax is
for the C-shell, not bash.
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* Re: length in gawk returns wrong value
2012-07-19 16:46 ` Cliff Hones
@ 2012-07-19 16:54 ` Aaron Schneider
2012-07-19 17:02 ` Eric Blake
2012-07-19 17:03 ` Cliff Hones
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From: Aaron Schneider @ 2012-07-19 16:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On 19/07/2012 18:44, Cliff Hones wrote:
> On 19/07/2012 17:16, Aaron Schneider wrote:
>
>> Looking at /etc/profile.d/lang.csh
>> if ( $?LC_ALL == 0 && $?LC_CTYPE == 0 && $?LANG == 0 ) setenv LANG `/usr/bin/locale -uU`
>>
>> I wonder why in my system the setenv command does not exist:
>> $ setenv
>> -bash: setenv: command not found
>>
>> and why the if structure is not followed
>> if (test for true) then command ; fi
>>
>> On the other side, /etc/profile.d/lang.sh seems to be ok.
>
> I think you'll find the clue is the ".csh" extension. That syntax is
> for the C-shell, not bash.
>
> -- Cliff
>
I can't find such csh or cshell on my system, I've searched from
packages and I only see scsh, slsh, posh, mosh, tcsh, zsh, mksh that I
don't have installed in my system any of them, unless csh comes with the
system. How do I run the csh?
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* Re: length in gawk returns wrong value
2012-07-19 16:54 ` Aaron Schneider
@ 2012-07-19 17:02 ` Eric Blake
2012-07-19 17:15 ` Aaron Schneider
2012-07-20 14:42 ` Reini Urban
2012-07-19 17:03 ` Cliff Hones
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From: Eric Blake @ 2012-07-19 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
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On 07/19/2012 10:53 AM, Aaron Schneider wrote:
>> I think you'll find the clue is the ".csh" extension. That syntax is
>> for the C-shell, not bash.
>>
>> -- Cliff
>>
>
> I can't find such csh or cshell on my system, I've searched from
> packages and I only see scsh, slsh, posh, mosh, tcsh, zsh, mksh that I
Both scsh and tcsh are from the csh family of shells.
posh, zsh, mksh, bash, dash, and ksh are from the Bourne family of shells
No idea what slsh or mosh are
> don't have installed in my system any of them, unless csh comes with the
> system. How do I run the csh?
Why bother? csh syntax is non-standard, and in my opinion, it is ugly
(others around here disagree, or tcsh would have died long ago, but
that's a different story - it's mostly people that were on a system that
picked csh as its default shell long before standardization picked
Bourne over csh syntax).
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/
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* Re: length in gawk returns wrong value
2012-07-19 16:54 ` Aaron Schneider
2012-07-19 17:02 ` Eric Blake
@ 2012-07-19 17:03 ` Cliff Hones
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From: Cliff Hones @ 2012-07-19 17:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On 19/07/2012 17:53, Aaron Schneider wrote:
> I can't find such csh or cshell on my system, I've searched from packages and I only see scsh, slsh, posh, mosh, tcsh, zsh, mksh that I don't have installed in my system any of them, unless csh comes with the system. How do I run the csh?
tcsh is the C shell - as indeed it says in the description setup.exe shows you.
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* Re: length in gawk returns wrong value
2012-07-19 17:02 ` Eric Blake
@ 2012-07-19 17:15 ` Aaron Schneider
2012-07-20 14:42 ` Reini Urban
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From: Aaron Schneider @ 2012-07-19 17:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On 19/07/2012 19:02, Eric Blake wrote:
>
> Why bother? csh syntax is non-standard, and in my opinion, it is ugly
> (others around here disagree, or tcsh would have died long ago, but
> that's a different story - it's mostly people that were on a system that
> picked csh as its default shell long before standardization picked
> Bourne over csh syntax).
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/
>
Ok, I understand that you don't have to execute both lang.sh or
lang.csh; they are executed depending on the shell you have, there is no
need to run both, in fact they do the same. Default shell will suffice
and is better for porting scripts.
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* Re: length in gawk returns wrong value
2012-07-19 17:02 ` Eric Blake
2012-07-19 17:15 ` Aaron Schneider
@ 2012-07-20 14:42 ` Reini Urban
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From: Reini Urban @ 2012-07-20 14:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Eric Blake wrote:
> On 07/19/2012 10:53 AM, Aaron Schneider wrote:
>> I can't find such csh or cshell on my system, I've searched from
>> packages and I only see scsh, slsh, posh, mosh, tcsh, zsh, mksh that I
>
> Both scsh and tcsh are from the csh family of shells.
>
> posh, zsh, mksh, bash, dash, and ksh are from the Bourne family of shells
>
> No idea what slsh or mosh are
No login shells.
mosh is a a remote shell, a better ssh for slow or varying
connections. http://mosh.mit.edu/
slsh is the S-Lang shell. A different beast.
http://www.jedsoft.org/slang/doc/html/slang-2.html#ss2.1
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