From: L A Walsh <cygwin@tlinx.org>
To: Jon Turney <jon.turney@dronecode.org.uk>
Cc: The Cygwin Mailing List <cygwin@cygwin.com>
Subject: Re: X11 blinking cursor in text window like 'gvim' - only halts if moved-over another X11-win
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 07:53:37 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <60730D71.2090806@tlinx.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0d803d41-42b6-4725-b1c8-3e01486907fb@dronecode.org.uk>
On 2021/04/11 07:33, Jon Turney wrote:
> On 10/04/2021 22:37, L A Walsh wrote:
>> On 2021/04/10 12:14, L A Walsh wrote:
>>> On 2021/04/09 07:41, Jon Turney wrote:
>>>> I think so, yes.
>>> ===
>>>
>>> That's unfortunate. Well, I wasn't sure if it was new
>>> or old. At least its not some new problem. Sigh.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the backstory.
>>>> [1] https://sourceware.org/legacy-ml/cygwin/2017-04/msg00168.html
>>>> [2] https://sourceware.org/legacy-ml/cygwin/2017-04/msg00278.html
>>>> [3] https://sourceware.org/pipermail/cygwin/2017-May/232564.html
>> ---
>> I don't know if this was tried, but the only way to really do
>> it would be along the lines of detecting when windows had grabbed
>> control via its time -- for cygwin to use a timer to detect when it
>> lost control. Ex. in cygwin's blink routine, it would need to check
>
> There is no 'cygwin blink routine' - this is something that the X client
> (e.g. gvim in your example) is doing, while it believe that it has focus.
---
Use of "cygwin blink routine" refers to whatever timing mechanism
calls some graphical routine to toggle on and off a cursor, unless you are
saying that the timer routine responsible for blinking is only present in
gvim, in which case X or cygwin might need their own timer routine.
>
>> that it still had focus, and if it had lost it for longer than 50-75ms
>> (maybe configurable), assume cursor is over a Win-Window... May not
>> be worth the bother, but it might catch the problem?
>
> There's almost certainly no need for such heuristics. Windows provides
> various notification messages when the focus is moving, it's translating
> those (correctly) into the model that X clients expect that is the problem.
----
I suggest a heuristic because a direct translation has been resistant
to implementation, so far, but also because windows is using a heuristic to
determine when to change focus. It uses a timer to give you time to move
to a widget and not activate everything between the two -- like when I
right click on a task on the menu bar and the options appear about .5-1"
to the right of the menu bar (mine is on the left, not bottom). That means
I need to move over some other "stuff" before I can get to the target. If
I move too slowly, the target disappears. If windows waits too long to activate
the target, I find myself moving into a window and waiting for it to become
active.
So the time before windows activates the target is also a configurable
wait time, which is why I thought cygwin might use something similar. It may
not be ideal, and not always, do I move to my target quickly enough, but
it works most of the time in practical use.
prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-04-11 14:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-04-07 0:27 L A Walsh
2021-04-07 18:46 ` Achim Gratz
2021-04-08 8:52 ` L A Walsh
2021-04-08 9:52 ` Lemke, Michael SF/HZA-ZIC2
2021-04-08 11:19 ` Andrey Repin
2021-04-15 19:10 ` Achim Gratz
2021-06-16 17:41 ` L A Walsh
2021-04-09 14:41 ` Jon Turney
2021-04-09 15:12 ` Thomas Wolff
2021-04-10 21:40 ` L A Walsh
2021-04-11 14:14 ` Jon Turney
2021-04-10 19:14 ` L A Walsh
2021-04-10 21:37 ` L A Walsh
2021-04-11 14:33 ` Jon Turney
2021-04-11 14:53 ` L A Walsh [this message]
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