Are my emails being filtered out?

Are my emails being filtered out?

[LRN]

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Subj. I've been sending emails to this list for a couple of weeks now, and no
one replies. Do these messages come through at all? I know for a fact that the
messages do end up in the ML archives, so they reach at least *some* places.
In case this message is being read by anyone: i'm looking either for Yaakov
Selkowitz, or for anyone who maintains the glib Cygwin package. Please help, i
only have a few months.


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Re: Are my emails being filtered out?

[Brian Inglis]

On 2019-04-17 02:06, LRN wrote:
> I've been sending emails to this list for a couple of weeks now, and no
> one replies. Do these messages come through at all? I know for a fact that the
> messages do end up in the ML archives, so they reach at least *some* places.
> In case this message is being read by anyone: i'm looking either for Yaakov
> Selkowitz, or for anyone who maintains the glib Cygwin package. Please help, i
> only have a few months.

The best way to initiate discussion may be replying to a previous post about a
package in the relevant group with patches (see below), or an email with a new
well written, specific subject.
All participants are volunteers, with busy jobs, lives, or families, who also
take trips and vacations.
Some maintain dozens, hundreds, or thousands of Cygwin packages, may participate
or work upstream, in other distros, packages, products, or standards groups.
You may have months but they may have only minutes or seconds for a topic -
respect that: "We are now living on Internet time" - Andy Grove, Intel, 1997.

The relevant groups for patch submission and discussion are cygwin-apps for
apps, cygwin-patches for winsup..., newlib for other library files, to which you
must subscribe, or the upstream maintainer via email on the source site,
normally using git format-patch/send-email against the latest sources, with well
written, specific subjects and commit log entries.

If the upstream source site has public email archives, issue or bug tracker, you
may be able to search for relevant Cygwin or maintainer content, or you may have
to ask the maintainer if an issue has already been raised with them.

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Re: Are my emails being filtered out?

[Chris Wagner]

I too have had ongoing issues getting Cygwin mail.  My spam package 
regularly filters out emails for "protocol" violations which I then have 
to notice and release.  Some were for having multiple Reply-To headers.  
I even got a notice from the list stating that email to me had been 
bouncing.  So I think that the mailing list software could use some 
maintenance.

Thanks.



On 2019-04-17 11:30 am, Brian Inglis wrote:
> On 2019-04-17 02:06, LRN wrote:
>> I've been sending emails to this list for a couple of weeks now, and 
>> no
>> one replies. Do these messages come through at all? I know for a fact 
>> that the
>> messages do end up in the ML archives, so they reach at least *some* 
>> places.
>> In case this message is being read by anyone: i'm looking either for 
>> Yaakov
>> Selkowitz, or for anyone who maintains the glib Cygwin package. Please 
>> help, i
>> only have a few months.

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Re: Are my emails being filtered out?

[LRN]

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On 17.04.2019 18:30, Brian Inglis wrote:
> On 2019-04-17 02:06, LRN wrote:
>> I've been sending emails to this list for a couple of weeks now, and no
>> one replies. Do these messages come through at all?
> 
> The best way to initiate discussion may be replying to a previous post about a
> package in the relevant group with patches (see below), or an email with a new
> well written, specific subject.

TL/DR version: i'm doing things correctly, AFAIU, CMIIW.


I was sending messages to this list, the subject was 'cygwin port of glib'.
That seems specific enough for me. If there's a detail that i forgot to mention
in the subject, please advice, i'll gladly include it. There was initially a
reply (by Erik M. Bray), so i guess it could also be counted as "replying to a
previous post" as well.

> All participants are volunteers, with busy jobs, lives, or families, who also
> take trips and vacations.
> Some maintain dozens, hundreds, or thousands of Cygwin packages, may participate
> or work upstream, in other distros, packages, products, or standards groups.
> You may have months but they may have only minutes or seconds for a topic -
> respect that: "We are now living on Internet time" - Andy Grove, Intel, 1997.

I probably wasn't clear. "A few months" is not the time that i can devote to
this topic. It's the soft deadline that i've been given.

The specific person i'm trying to communicate with doesn't seem to be on
vacation (there was a message from that person in this mailing list yesterday,
and eight days ago as well). As for being busy, i'm ok with an "i'm busy, will
reply later" reply. I certainly not expect anyone to drop everything and devote
all their time to researching the issues i raised. I do expect some kind of
acknowledgement though. Guess i'm one of those people that don't like being
ignored (and that's how it looks like, from where i'm sitting).

> 
> The relevant groups for patch submission and discussion are cygwin-apps for
> apps, cygwin-patches for winsup..., newlib for other library files, to which you
> must subscribe, or the upstream maintainer via email on the source site,
> normally using git format-patch/send-email against the latest sources, with well
> written, specific subjects and commit log entries.

I'm not submitting any patch or a package, i have a question about a patch that
was already submitted in the past.
cygwin-announce is obviously the wrong choice for this.
cygwin-apps also seems a bad choice (i'm not a maintainer, and it's forbidden
to subscribe to that list to ask questions about packages, which is what i want
to ask).
cygwin-developers is for devs only (i was already asked to not to post there in
the past, when i had a question tangentially-related to Cygwin, and my current
question certainly does not qualify as "related to Cygwin development").
cygwin-patches is for patch submissions only
cygwin-talk is not for technical questions.
That leaves this list ("In general, you should send questions and bug reports
here").

The website that corresponds to the package in question is
http://cygwinports.org/ , though its mailing list prescriptions are somewhat
contradictory ("Issues with packages provided by Cygwin Ports in the Cygwin
distribution should use the usual Cygwin mailing lists[i.e. this list?].
Please, do NOT send messages about the packages previously shipped here to the
cygwin.com lists[i.e. this list?]."). Maybe i'm lacking some crucial piece of
context information (does "packages previously shipped here" have some special
meaning?).

> 
> If the upstream source site has public email archives, issue or bug tracker, you
> may be able to search for relevant Cygwin or maintainer content, or you may have
> to ask the maintainer if an issue has already been raised with them.
> 

cygwinports github site (section? repository group? user? I don't know how it's
called on github) seems kind of bare. Looks like a mirror to me (i could be
wrong, of course). No issues or PRs for the glib2.0 package either, so i can't
be sure that anything i submit there is going to be noticed by anyone.


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Re: Are my emails being filtered out?

[Achim Gratz]

LRN writes:
> Subj. I've been sending emails to this list for a couple of weeks now, and no
> one replies. Do these messages come through at all?

Yes, they do just fine.

> I know for a fact that the messages do end up in the ML archives, so
> they reach at least *some* places.  In case this message is being read
> by anyone: i'm looking either for Yaakov Selkowitz, or for anyone who
> maintains the glib Cygwin package. Please help, i only have a few
> months.

The inofficial protocol for reaching out to a package maintainer is to
put "[Attn. Maintainer] <pkg>" in the subject of your mail.  Said
maintainer may be currently unavailable or busy with other stuff, so
please give her/him ample time to respond, i.e. at least two or three
weeks before following up.


Regards,
Achim.
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Re: Are my emails being filtered out?

[LRN]

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On 17.04.2019 20:04, Achim Gratz wrote:
> The inofficial protocol for reaching out to a package maintainer is to
> put "[Attn. Maintainer] <pkg>" in the subject of your mail.  Said
> maintainer may be currently unavailable or busy with other stuff, so
> please give her/him ample time to respond, i.e. at least two or three
> weeks before following up.
> 

Thanks! That's good to know.


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