Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

[Marco Atzeri]

Hi,
following a unpleasant discussion about cygwin usability
https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2018-04/msg00364.html
I wondered how many users cygwin have.

I decided to look at cygwin web server statistics for setup
download to have some basic data.

The web server log are stored for 12 weeks and I see that the number of
download per week of setup-x86_64.exe are relative stable.

cygwin-combined_log-20180204.gz  94749
cygwin-combined_log-20180211.gz  92740
cygwin-combined_log-20180218.gz  82597
cygwin-combined_log-20180225.gz  92420
cygwin-combined_log-20180304.gz  101957
cygwin-combined_log-20180311.gz  98670
cygwin-combined_log-20180318.gz  97539
cygwin-combined_log-20180325.gz  98178
cygwin-combined_log-20180401.gz  96515
cygwin-combined_log-20180408.gz  90326
cygwin-combined_log-20180415.gz  95458
cygwin-combined_log-20180422.gz  92738

with an average 94490 download per week.

For the 32bit version the number instead are
around a quarter of the 64bit one.

cygwin-combined_log-20180204.gz	23567
cygwin-combined_log-20180211.gz	31473
cygwin-combined_log-20180218.gz	35067
cygwin-combined_log-20180225.gz	27618
cygwin-combined_log-20180304.gz	26236
cygwin-combined_log-20180311.gz	31383
cygwin-combined_log-20180318.gz	27372
cygwin-combined_log-20180325.gz	23872
cygwin-combined_log-20180401.gz	20486
cygwin-combined_log-20180408.gz	21647
cygwin-combined_log-20180415.gz	21793
cygwin-combined_log-20180422.gz	21563
	
with an average 26006 download per week.

So in total we have  around 120 K download per week
of the two setup exe's

As curiosity the raw data of x86 download were
very high in February due to a single
Windows 98 in Japan that was downloading 201122
times in a week the setup-x86.exe

Regards
Marco



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Re: Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

[Keith Christian]

Cygwin is essential to my productivity and work flow on Windows.

I seldom use X on Cygwin but it usually performs well when I do.

Others' mileage may vary.

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:49 AM, Marco Atzeri <marco.atzeri@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> following a unpleasant discussion about cygwin usability
> https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2018-04/msg00364.html
> I wondered how many users cygwin have.
>
> I decided to look at cygwin web server statistics for setup
> download to have some basic data.
>
> The web server log are stored for 12 weeks and I see that the number of
> download per week of setup-x86_64.exe are relative stable.
>
> cygwin-combined_log-20180204.gz  94749
> cygwin-combined_log-20180211.gz  92740
> cygwin-combined_log-20180218.gz  82597
> cygwin-combined_log-20180225.gz  92420
> cygwin-combined_log-20180304.gz  101957
> cygwin-combined_log-20180311.gz  98670
> cygwin-combined_log-20180318.gz  97539
> cygwin-combined_log-20180325.gz  98178
> cygwin-combined_log-20180401.gz  96515
> cygwin-combined_log-20180408.gz  90326
> cygwin-combined_log-20180415.gz  95458
> cygwin-combined_log-20180422.gz  92738
>
> with an average 94490 download per week.
>
> For the 32bit version the number instead are
> around a quarter of the 64bit one.
>
> cygwin-combined_log-20180204.gz 23567
> cygwin-combined_log-20180211.gz 31473
> cygwin-combined_log-20180218.gz 35067
> cygwin-combined_log-20180225.gz 27618
> cygwin-combined_log-20180304.gz 26236
> cygwin-combined_log-20180311.gz 31383
> cygwin-combined_log-20180318.gz 27372
> cygwin-combined_log-20180325.gz 23872
> cygwin-combined_log-20180401.gz 20486
> cygwin-combined_log-20180408.gz 21647
> cygwin-combined_log-20180415.gz 21793
> cygwin-combined_log-20180422.gz 21563
>
> with an average 26006 download per week.
>
> So in total we have  around 120 K download per week
> of the two setup exe's
>
> As curiosity the raw data of x86 download were
> very high in February due to a single
> Windows 98 in Japan that was downloading 201122
> times in a week the setup-x86.exe
>
> Regards
> Marco
>
>
>
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Re: Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

[R0b0t1]

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 7:49 AM, Marco Atzeri <marco.atzeri@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> following a unpleasant discussion about cygwin usability
> https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2018-04/msg00364.html
> I wondered how many users cygwin have.
>

Younger people seem to prefer MSYS due to its use of pacman.
Admittedly, it is very convenient. Otherwise Cygwin (or MSYS) has
always been accepted (at least amongst everyone I talk to) as a
necessity.

Even if the updates aren't automatic due to the DLL issue, a CLI
interface to the updater would help.

> I decided to look at cygwin web server statistics for setup
> download to have some basic data.
>
> The web server log are stored for 12 weeks and I see that the number of
> download per week of setup-x86_64.exe are relative stable.
>
> cygwin-combined_log-20180204.gz  94749
> cygwin-combined_log-20180211.gz  92740
> cygwin-combined_log-20180218.gz  82597
> cygwin-combined_log-20180225.gz  92420
> cygwin-combined_log-20180304.gz  101957
> cygwin-combined_log-20180311.gz  98670
> cygwin-combined_log-20180318.gz  97539
> cygwin-combined_log-20180325.gz  98178
> cygwin-combined_log-20180401.gz  96515
> cygwin-combined_log-20180408.gz  90326
> cygwin-combined_log-20180415.gz  95458
> cygwin-combined_log-20180422.gz  92738
>
> with an average 94490 download per week.
>
> For the 32bit version the number instead are
> around a quarter of the 64bit one.
>
> cygwin-combined_log-20180204.gz 23567
> cygwin-combined_log-20180211.gz 31473
> cygwin-combined_log-20180218.gz 35067
> cygwin-combined_log-20180225.gz 27618
> cygwin-combined_log-20180304.gz 26236
> cygwin-combined_log-20180311.gz 31383
> cygwin-combined_log-20180318.gz 27372
> cygwin-combined_log-20180325.gz 23872
> cygwin-combined_log-20180401.gz 20486
> cygwin-combined_log-20180408.gz 21647
> cygwin-combined_log-20180415.gz 21793
> cygwin-combined_log-20180422.gz 21563
>
> with an average 26006 download per week.
>
> So in total we have  around 120 K download per week
> of the two setup exe's
>
> As curiosity the raw data of x86 download were
> very high in February due to a single
> Windows 98 in Japan that was downloading 201122
> times in a week the setup-x86.exe
>
> Regards
> Marco
>
>
>
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Re: Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

[Marco Atzeri]

On 5/2/2018 1:22 AM, R0b0t1 wrote:
> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 7:49 AM, Marco Atzeri  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> following a unpleasant discussion about cygwin usability
>> https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2018-04/msg00364.html
>> I wondered how many users cygwin have.
>>
> 
> Younger people seem to prefer MSYS due to its use of pacman.
> Admittedly, it is very convenient. Otherwise Cygwin (or MSYS) has
> always been accepted (at least amongst everyone I talk to) as a
> necessity.
> 
> Even if the updates aren't automatic due to the DLL issue, a CLI
> interface to the updater would help.
> 

the setup is usable as CLI.
Can be improved, but it is usable for most of the stuff.

PS: Post bottom is fine, but also trim is needed.

Regards
Marco

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Re: Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

[Brian Inglis]

On 2018-05-01 06:49, Marco Atzeri wrote:
> As curiosity the raw data of x86 download were very high in February due to a
> single Windows 98 in Japan that was downloading 201122 times in a week the
> setup-x86.exe
Someone should point those folks to ancient circas at:

	http://www.crouchingtigerhiddenfruitbat.org/

or suggest they revert to DJGPP.

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Re: Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

[Marco Atzeri]

On 5/1/2018 2:49 PM, Marco Atzeri wrote:
> Hi,
> following a unpleasant discussion about cygwin usability
> https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2018-04/msg00364.html
> I wondered how many users cygwin have.
> 

As second statistics, where are cygwin users,
I took the 64bit data of a Febrary week
and crossed the data with geoiplookup.

The result are:

Country                                      Count Percent

US, United States                            29095  %30.71
CN, China                                    10424  %11.00
IN, India                                     6400  %06.75
CA, Canada                                    3752  %03.96
DE, Germany                                   3730  %03.94
JP, Japan                                     3402  %03.59
AU, Australia                                 3172  %03.35
FR, France                                    2637  %02.78
GB, United Kingdom                            2408  %02.54
NL, Netherlands                               2111  %02.23
RU, Russian Federation                        1623  %01.71
ES, Spain                                     1260  %01.33
BR, Brazil                                    1244  %01.31
IT, Italy                                     1152  %01.22
ID, Indonesia                                 1118  %01.18
SE, Sweden                                     987  %01.04
KR, Korea, Republic of                         915  %00.97
PL, Poland                                     851  %00.90
HK, Hong Kong                                  742  %00.78
IR, Iran, Islamic Republic of                  701  %00.74
EG, Egypt                                      621  %00.66
MX, Mexico                                     589  %00.62
TR, Turkey                                     587  %00.62
PK, Pakistan                                   552  %00.58
TH, Thailand                                   527  %00.56
TW, Taiwan                                     525  %00.55
SG, Singapore                                  492  %00.52
DZ, Algeria                                    487  %00.51
VN, Vietnam                                    460  %00.49
PH, Philippines                                442  %00.47
CH, Switzerland                                440  %00.46
EU, Europe                                     440  %00.46
UA, Ukraine                                    425  %00.45
NO, Norway                                     387  %00.41
AT, Austria                                    372  %00.39
RO, Romania                                    368  %00.39
CZ, Czech Republic                             344  %00.36
BD, Bangladesh                                 341  %00.36
IL, Israel                                     310  %00.33
DK, Denmark                                    318  %00.34
IL, Israel                                     310  %00.33
SA, Saudi Arabia                               287  %00.30
BE, Belgium                                    268  %00.28
LK, Sri Lanka                                  265  %00.28
MA, Morocco                                    265  %00.28
IE, Ireland                                    251  %00.26
PT, Portugal                                   239  %00.25
ZA, South Africa                               235  %00.25
HU, Hungary                                    225  %00.24
CO, Colombia                                   209  %00.22
AR, Argentina                                  202  %00.21
TN, Tunisia                                    197  %00.21
MY, Malaysia                                   188  %00.20
GR, Greece                                     185  %00.20
NG, Nigeria                                    177  %00.19
IQ, Iraq                                       163  %00.17
SK, Slovakia                                   146  %00.15
TG, Togo                                       138  %00.15
CL, Chile                                      132  %00.14
KH, Cambodia                                   123  %00.13
KE, Kenya                                      119  %00.13
BY, Belarus                                    117  %00.12
NP, Nepal                                      113  %00.12
NZ, New Zealand                                110  %00.12
EC, Ecuador                                    106  %00.11
BG, Bulgaria                                   105  %00.11
PE, Peru                                       105  %00.11
VE, Venezuela                                  103  %00.11
RS, Serbia                                      96  %00.10
LS, Lesotho                                     94  %00.10
MM, Myanmar                                     90  %00.09
GH, Ghana                                       88  %00.09
AE, United Arab Emirates                        87  %00.09
EE, Estonia                                     78  %00.08
SD, Sudan                                       77  %00.08
UG, Uganda                                      72  %00.08
CU, Cuba                                        72  %00.08
HR, Croatia                                     70  %00.07
CM, Cameroon                                    69  %00.07
SY, Syrian Arab Republic                        68  %00.07
AZ, Azerbaijan                                  67  %00.07
AP, Asia/Pacific Region                         67  %00.07
KZ, Kazakhstan                                  67  %00.07
ET, Ethiopia                                    65  %00.07
MG, Madagascar                                  63  %00.07
LV, Latvia                                      58  %00.06
LT, Lithuania                                   58  %00.06
ZW, Zimbabwe                                    57  %00.06
CD, Congo, The Democratic Republic of the       57  %00.06
YE, Yemen                                       55  %00.06
DO, Dominican Republic                          51  %00.05
SI, Slovenia                                    50  %00.05
CI, Cote D'Ivoire                               44  %00.05
LB, Lebanon                                     42  %00.04
JO, Jordan                                      42  %00.04
BF, Burkina Faso                                42  %00.04
CR, Costa Rica                                  41  %00.04
SN, Senegal                                     40  %00.04
LU, Luxembourg                                  40  %00.04
PS, Palestinian Territory                       40  %00.04
TZ, Tanzania, United Republic of                35  %00.04
BO, Bolivia                                     33  %00.03
BA, Bosnia and Herzegovina                      32  %00.03
QA, Qatar                                       31  %00.03
CV, Cape Verde                                  30  %00.03
CY, Cyprus                                      29  %00.03
MU, Mauritius                                   29  %00.03
GT, Guatemala                                   29  %00.03
LY, Libya                                       28  %00.03
NI, Nicaragua                                   28  %00.03
AM, Armenia                                     26  %00.03
AL, Albania                                     24  %00.03
PR, Puerto Rico                                 24  %00.03
RW, Rwanda                                      23  %00.02
MD, Moldova, Republic of                        23  %00.02
UZ, Uzbekistan                                  21  %00.02
UY, Uruguay                                     20  %00.02
MR, Mauritania                                  20  %00.02
JM, Jamaica                                     19  %00.02
SV, El Salvador                                 19  %00.02
MK, Macedonia                                   19  %00.02
MT, Malta                                       17  %00.02
OM, Oman                                        17  %00.02
MQ, Martinique                                  17  %00.02
PY, Paraguay                                    16  %00.02
BJ, Benin                                       16  %00.02
GN, Guinea                                      16  %00.02
MN, Mongolia                                    16  %00.02
GE, Georgia                                     15  %00.02
ZM, Zambia                                      15  %00.02
IS, Iceland                                     14  %00.01
KW, Kuwait                                      13  %00.01
KG, Kyrgyzstan                                  13  %00.01
HN, Honduras                                    13  %00.01
PA, Panama                                      11  %00.01
AF, Afghanistan                                 10  %00.01
TJ, Tajikistan                                  10  %00.01
BN, Brunei Darussalam                            9  %00.01
TT, Trinidad and Tobago                          8  %00.01
AO, Angola                                       8  %00.01
TT, Trinidad and Tobago                          8  %00.01
MZ, Mozambique                                   7  %00.01
LR, Liberia                                      5  %00.01
RE, Reunion                                      5  %00.01
SC, Seychelles                                   5  %00.01
PG, Papua New Guinea                             5  %00.01
ML, Mali                                         4  %00.00
AD, Andorra                                      4  %00.00
MO, Macau                                        4  %00.00
SL, Sierra Leone                                 3  %00.00
SO, Somalia                                      3  %00.00
MP, Northern Mariana Islands                     3  %00.00
BW, Botswana                                     3  %00.00
ME, Montenegro                                   3  %00.00
KN, Saint Kitts and Nevis                        3  %00.00
BB, Barbados                                     3  %00.00
NC, New Caledonia                                2  %00.00
HT, Haiti                                        2  %00.00
SM, San Marino                                   2  %00.00
FJ, Fiji                                         2  %00.00
AX, Aland Islands                                2  %00.00
SZ, Swaziland                                    2  %00.00
GM, Gambia                                       2  %00.00
GP, Guadeloupe                                   2  %00.00
MC, Monaco                                       1  %00.00
GF, French Guiana                                1  %00.00
GU, Guam                                         1  %00.00
GG, Guernsey                                     1  %00.00
VU, Vanuatu                                      1  %00.00
GI, Gibraltar                                    1  %00.00
CG, Congo                                        1  %00.00
IP Address not found                             1  %00.00
TL, Timor-Leste                                  1  %00.00
IM, Isle of Man                                  1  %00.00
MW, Malawi                                       1  %00.00
BZ, Belize                                       1  %00.00
VC, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines             1  %00.00
AG, Antigua and Barbuda                          1  %00.00
SX, Sint Maarten (Dutch part)                    1  %00.00
NA, Namibia                                      1  %00.00
LA, Lao People's Democratic Republic             1  %00.00
GD, Grenada                                      1  %00.00

Total                                        94749 %100.00


May be the US are overstated for the corporation and VPN usage,
but it seems cygwin is well covering all the world.

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Re: Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

[E. Madison Bray]

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 1:23 AM R0b0t1 wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 7:49 AM, Marco Atzeri wrote:
> > Hi,
> > following a unpleasant discussion about cygwin usability
> > https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2018-04/msg00364.html
> > I wondered how many users cygwin have.
> >
>
> Younger people seem to prefer MSYS due to its use of pacman.
> Admittedly, it is very convenient. Otherwise Cygwin (or MSYS) has
> always been accepted (at least amongst everyone I talk to) as a
> necessity.

(with apologies for replying to such an old thread; I've been trying
to do some email catchup)

I have often wondered why apt-cyg [1] hasn't been adopted fully by
Cygwin as one of the default packages (in fact I'm not sure if there
even is an actual cygwin package for apt-cyg), aside from the fact
that it's not formally maintained as part of the cygwin ecosystem.
Maybe it should be.

Although the old setup.exe has its uses, and isn't too bad when you
use the command-line flags either, almost always whenever I make a new
cygwin install, unless I know immediately what packages I'm going to
need, I usually just install the bare minimum I need to get apt-cyg
working (usually wget, plus a few other core utilities), and then use
apt-cyg from thereon out.  In my experience it works really well, and
is just as good as having pacman or whatever.


[1] https://github.com/transcode-open/apt-cyg

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Re: Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

[David Dombrowsky]

On 1/11/19 8:40 AM, E. Madison Bray wrote:
> I have often wondered why apt-cyg [1] hasn't been adopted fully by
> Cygwin as one of the default packages (in fact I'm not sure if there
> even is an actual cygwin package for apt-cyg), aside from the fact
> that it's not formally maintained as part of the cygwin ecosystem.
> Maybe it should be.

YES PLEASE!  Cygwin is awesome and this would put it firmly into the
first class of required windows programs/systems.


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RE: Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

[Lemke, Michael ST/HZA-ZIC2]

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On Friday, January 11, 2019 3:50 PM David Dombrowsky wrote:
>On 1/11/19 8:40 AM, E. Madison Bray wrote:
>> I have often wondered why apt-cyg [1] hasn't been adopted fully by
>> Cygwin as one of the default packages (in fact I'm not sure if there
>> even is an actual cygwin package for apt-cyg), aside from the fact
>> that it's not formally maintained as part of the cygwin ecosystem.
>> Maybe it should be.
>
>YES PLEASE!  Cygwin is awesome and this would put it firmly into the
>first class of required windows programs/systems.

It's dead:

https://github.com/transcode-open/apt-cyg/blob/master/status.md

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Re: Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

[Corinna Vinschen]

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On Jan 11 16:15, Lemke, Michael  ST/HZA-ZIC2 wrote:
> On Friday, January 11, 2019 3:50 PM David Dombrowsky wrote:
> >On 1/11/19 8:40 AM, E. Madison Bray wrote:
> >> I have often wondered why apt-cyg [1] hasn't been adopted fully by
> >> Cygwin as one of the default packages (in fact I'm not sure if there
> >> even is an actual cygwin package for apt-cyg), aside from the fact
> >> that it's not formally maintained as part of the cygwin ecosystem.
> >> Maybe it should be.
> >
> >YES PLEASE!  Cygwin is awesome and this would put it firmly into the
> >first class of required windows programs/systems.
> 
> It's dead:
> 
> https://github.com/transcode-open/apt-cyg/blob/master/status.md

If somebody is willing to maintain apt-get as package in the Cygwin
distro, which includes keeping it running if setup.exe changes, fixing
bugs as required(*), by all means,  go ahead.

Are you volunteering, by any chance?


Corinna

(*) It's open source after all.  Just fork the existing code base and
    continue developing.

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RE: Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

[Lemke, Michael ST/HZA-ZIC2]

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On Friday, January 11, 2019 5:30 PM Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>On Jan 11 16:15, Lemke, Michael  ST/HZA-ZIC2 wrote:
>> On Friday, January 11, 2019 3:50 PM David Dombrowsky wrote:
>> >On 1/11/19 8:40 AM, E. Madison Bray wrote:
>> >> I have often wondered why apt-cyg [1] hasn't been adopted fully by
>> >> Cygwin as one of the default packages (in fact I'm not sure if there
>> >> even is an actual cygwin package for apt-cyg), aside from the fact
>> >> that it's not formally maintained as part of the cygwin ecosystem.
>> >> Maybe it should be.
>> >
>> >YES PLEASE!  Cygwin is awesome and this would put it firmly into the
>> >first class of required windows programs/systems.
>> 
>> It's dead:
>> 
>> https://github.com/transcode-open/apt-cyg/blob/master/status.md
>
>If somebody is willing to maintain apt-get as package in the Cygwin
>distro, which includes keeping it running if setup.exe changes, fixing
>bugs as required(*), by all means,  go ahead.
>
>Are you volunteering, by any chance?

My reply was only meant as a hint, I have no interest in the package,
but someone (who is on this list I believe) already did:

https://github.com/cup/sage/issues/20

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Re: Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

[Corinna Vinschen]

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On Jan 11 16:40, Lemke, Michael  ST/HZA-ZIC2 wrote:
> On Friday, January 11, 2019 5:30 PM Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >On Jan 11 16:15, Lemke, Michael  ST/HZA-ZIC2 wrote:
> >> On Friday, January 11, 2019 3:50 PM David Dombrowsky wrote:
> >> >On 1/11/19 8:40 AM, E. Madison Bray wrote:
> >> >> I have often wondered why apt-cyg [1] hasn't been adopted fully by
> >> >> Cygwin as one of the default packages (in fact I'm not sure if there
> >> >> even is an actual cygwin package for apt-cyg), aside from the fact
> >> >> that it's not formally maintained as part of the cygwin ecosystem.
> >> >> Maybe it should be.
> >> >
> >> >YES PLEASE!  Cygwin is awesome and this would put it firmly into the
> >> >first class of required windows programs/systems.
> >> 
> >> It's dead:
> >> 
> >> https://github.com/transcode-open/apt-cyg/blob/master/status.md
> >
> >If somebody is willing to maintain apt-get as package in the Cygwin
> >distro, which includes keeping it running if setup.exe changes, fixing
> >bugs as required(*), by all means,  go ahead.
> >
> >Are you volunteering, by any chance?
> 
> My reply was only meant as a hint, I have no interest in the package,
> but someone (who is on this list I believe) already did:
> 
> https://github.com/cup/sage/issues/20

Nice.


Corinna

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Re: Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

[Vince Rice]

> On Jan 11, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> 
> On Jan 11 16:40, Lemke, Michael  ST/HZA-ZIC2 wrote:
>> On Friday, January 11, 2019 5:30 PM Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>>> On Jan 11 16:15, Lemke, Michael  ST/HZA-ZIC2 wrote:
>>>> On Friday, January 11, 2019 3:50 PM David Dombrowsky wrote:
>>>>> On 1/11/19 8:40 AM, E. Madison Bray wrote:
>>>>>> I have often wondered why apt-cyg [1] hasn't been adopted fully by
>>>>>> Cygwin as one of the default packages (in fact I'm not sure if there
>>>>>> even is an actual cygwin package for apt-cyg), aside from the fact
>>>>>> that it's not formally maintained as part of the cygwin ecosystem.
>>>>>> Maybe it should be.
>>>>> 
>>>>> YES PLEASE!  Cygwin is awesome and this would put it firmly into the
>>>>> first class of required windows programs/systems.
>>>> 
>>>> It's dead:
>>>> 
>>>> https://github.com/transcode-open/apt-cyg/blob/master/status.md
>>> 
>>> If somebody is willing to maintain apt-get as package in the Cygwin
>>> distro, which includes keeping it running if setup.exe changes, fixing
>>> bugs as required(*), by all means,  go ahead.
>>> 
>>> Are you volunteering, by any chance?
>> 
>> My reply was only meant as a hint, I have no interest in the package,
>> but someone (who is on this list I believe) already did:
>> 
>> https://github.com/cup/sage/issues/20
> 
> Nice.

No, actually, it's not nice at all. See https://github.com/transcode-open/apt-cyg/issues/73 and read down to alphapapa's comment. A little googling will show the comment is accurate.
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Re: Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

[Achim Gratz]

E. Madison Bray writes:
> I have often wondered why apt-cyg [1] hasn't been adopted fully by
> Cygwin as one of the default packages (in fact I'm not sure if there
> even is an actual cygwin package for apt-cyg), aside from the fact
> that it's not formally maintained as part of the cygwin ecosystem.
> Maybe it should be.

For starters, apt-cyg and the handful of purported alternatives will
break your installation in subtle and not-so subtle ways.  None of them
handle all postinstall actions correctly and all of them will fall over
if locked in-use files have to be altered or replaced.


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Re: Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

[E. Madison Bray]

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 21:31 Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de wrote:

> E. Madison Bray writes:
> > I have often wondered why apt-cyg [1] hasn't been adopted fully by
> > Cygwin as one of the default packages (in fact I'm not sure if there
> > even is an actual cygwin package for apt-cyg), aside from the fact
> > that it's not formally maintained as part of the cygwin ecosystem.
> > Maybe it should be.
>
> For starters, apt-cyg and the handful of purported alternatives will
> break your installation in subtle and not-so subtle ways.  None of them
> handle all postinstall actions correctly and all of them will fall over
> if locked in-use files have to be altered or replaced.
>

I'm sure it has bugs, though it's always worked quite well for me. If I
have experienced those bugs I'm not sure. I think it's possible but I'm
also expert enough to usually resolve issues I've encountered on my own. At
the most, I think I've had to occasionally run rebaseall after some package
installs.

I didn't realize its development history was such a hideous mess,
especially considering that it's just a few hundred lines of bash script
that I could probably rewrite myself. Personally I'd be happy to maintain
it, especially if it were installed with Cygwin. Otherwise I'd just be
maintaining yet another "unofficial" fork of it.

Personally, I don't think a GUI program should be the only interface for
installing new packages into cygwin*

* modulo caveats such as using it to upgrade cygwin1.dll itself

>

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Re: Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

[David Dombrowsky]

On 1/11/19 11:15 AM, Lemke, Michael  ST/HZA-ZIC2 wrote:
> On Friday, January 11, 2019 3:50 PM David Dombrowsky wrote:
>> On 1/11/19 8:40 AM, E. Madison Bray wrote:
>>> I have often wondered why apt-cyg [1] hasn't been adopted fully by
>>> Cygwin as one of the default packages (in fact I'm not sure if there
>>> even is an actual cygwin package for apt-cyg), aside from the fact
>>> that it's not formally maintained as part of the cygwin ecosystem.
>>> Maybe it should be.
>>
>> YES PLEASE!  Cygwin is awesome and this would put it firmly into the
>> first class of required windows programs/systems.
> 
> It's dead:
> 
> https://github.com/transcode-open/apt-cyg/blob/master/status.md

Bring Out Yer Dead!

What about package managers that don't interact with cygwin setup?  Why
not build `apt-get` et. al. to install to /opt/?  Yes I know it would be
a system within a system within a system, but it might be worth a shot.
 This, especially if the "cygwin setup" package manager isn't open
source (I thought everything cygwin was, but I guess not).


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Re: Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

[Marco Atzeri]

Am 12.01.2019 um 17:49 schrieb David Dombrowsky:
> On 1/11/19 11:15 AM, Lemke, Michael  ST/HZA-ZIC2 wrote:
>> On Friday, January 11, 2019 3:50 PM David Dombrowsky wrote:
>>> On 1/11/19 8:40 AM, E. Madison Bray wrote:
>
>   This, especially if the "cygwin setup" package manager isn't open
> source (I thought everything cygwin was, but I guess not).
>

It is GPL2

https://cygwin.com/git/gitweb.cgi?p=cygwin-apps/setup.git;a=summary

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Re: Cygwin Statistics and curiosity

[Corinna Vinschen]

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On Jan 12 18:31, Marco Atzeri wrote:
> Am 12.01.2019 um 17:49 schrieb David Dombrowsky:
> > On 1/11/19 11:15 AM, Lemke, Michael  ST/HZA-ZIC2 wrote:
> > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 3:50 PM David Dombrowsky wrote:
> > > > On 1/11/19 8:40 AM, E. Madison Bray wrote:
> > 
> >   This, especially if the "cygwin setup" package manager isn't open
> > source (I thought everything cygwin was, but I guess not).
> > 
> 
> It is GPL2
> 
> https://cygwin.com/git/gitweb.cgi?p=cygwin-apps/setup.git;a=summary

The project even has a homepage, albeit a vestigial one:

https://sourceware.org/cygwin-apps/setup.html


Corinna

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